Gay Marriage

[dwightfry]

it's just stupid

actually, I take that back...although stupid, there is a much better term...selfish

[Busyman]

That's what I meant. Sorry if you misunderstood.

What shocks me is that you think that you are in the right when protesting something

Of course I have the right

that has next to no effect on you, with the exception of being uncomfortable.

Go and read for reasons

I guess you do have the right though....it's just stupid, that's all. You be sure to have a good time with your referendums, protests, lobbying...etc

C Ya, I'm done

Go back and read again. The only thing I'd probably partake in is a referendum.

[Busyman]

actually, I take that back...although stupid, there is a much better term...selfish

Agreed.

[Busyman]

Busy

Right at the begining of this (it was a diferent thread but same subject) my statement was "you can't prove people aren't born gay". I also made a point that we can't prove they are and that it's all opinion.
It's my opinion that people are born that way, i thought this without the "scientific research".
right away when i said there is no proof that people are not born gay you said well yes there is...just look at logic...well you still haven't given any proof.

I have not posted one googled report, because it's still just scientific opinion, not solid fact, although it's an educated opinion with far stronger evedence than the opposing theory.

Your opinion doesn't have any solid ground to stand on either....yet you happily call our thoughts "bullshit" as if you had the absolute undisbutable knowledge that all accadamia seems to be unable to grasp.

Both sides are trying prove something that I think can't be proven.

One is trying to say that we choose our feelings.

The other is saying we are born an affection for a person on based their chromosome base and that trumps everything

You have cherry picked and half quoted posts, you have misread then accused us of contradicting ourselves.

Actually I think I have fully quoted posts and mostly addressed line-by-line (for the most part). I misread maybe twice. One I know was on your "you ain't say no science thingie".

As i have said more than once...it's all just opinion, not one shred of actual proof.
case closed

My logic says it is proof enough for me. That's all that's needed. I am obviously in the minority on both sides.

I cannot scientifically prove why I like phat ass either. I won't attribute this to a "I like phat ass" gene so I don't attribute me liking only women to a gene.

Got it. Oh I know butbutbut it's sexuality..

I'm glad you've closed the case.

[hobbes]

All I can say is that I have no recollection of chosing to be straight. I have had "crushes" on females since the age of 5, even before I knew what reproduction was.

Why is it that everyone is saying that "they never made a concious choice", but you are insisting they did.

Why are people chosing a lifestyle that alienates them from family, friends and co-workers.

Why are some gay despite being threatened with death if caught.

How come people consider killing themselves because they are gay, why not go straight.

How come people go to doctors and ask to be "made normal", as they are miserable with their hiding secret.

Even when given intensive therapy, most cannot be changed?

A conscious choice, I think not. Particularly when there are gays pleading to be straight, if for no reason other than to considered "normal", not because they think they are bad people.

Explain to me, why this makes sense to you, I really don't get it.



Sexual preference is a basic genetic survival instinct. As animals, we are born to eat, reproduce and die. Our interest in females is programmed and we respond to their physical appearance and the phermones they secrete.

We don't eat treebark do we, we eat meat. We eat what we were made to digest. Our bodies direct us to these food sources by telling us they smell "good". Not just, that but I cannot choose to find treebark "yummy", there are no neural setup to support this. Our neural circuitry tells us what to think, not the other way around.

Just the same way as we are directed towards females because they make us horny. "Horny" is just natures way of telling us that women are what we need to make babies.

So we pick women over men, like we pick steak over tree bark.

Within women, we have preferences. Some preferences are more instinctual than we are aware. We are most attracted to those women that appear "healthy" to us. This is natures way of telling us that this mate will be fertile and bear children. Do you find old ladies "hot" or cancer ridden patients "sexy"? No, they don't look like they can bear children. You may not think of in these terms, but that is how your body sees it.

On the converse, how do women pick us to father their babies. Birds use mating calls. If the man does not do the right dance or sing the right tune, he is considered a "damaged goods". Female women do much the same with us. They make us jump through hoops to try and ensure that we will make the appropriate commitment to them. They need help with a baby, they want a father for their child, and dating and romance is how they screen us.

You don't see women going to the bathhouses for random sex do you? Unlike the gay male who can have 100's of annoymous partners a year, women have different biologic goals, that is not how they are programmed.

Bottom line though, women like men, men like women, that is default programming. But like any program, errors can occur. Preferences are not as arbitrary as they appear.

[Busyman]

All I can say is that I have no recollection of chosing to be straight. I have had "crushes" on females since the age of 5, even before I knew what reproduction was.

Good, you can't choose a feeling.

Why is it that everyone is saying that "they never made a concious choice", but you are insisting they did.

Where did I do that?

Why are people chosing a lifestyle that alienates them from family, friends and co-workers.

Why did some white women choose to be with a black men that alienated them from family, friends, and co-workers?

Why are some gay despite being threatened with death if caught.

Can you not feel sad if I tell you not to while holding a gun to your head? Could you be celibate if you had AIDS?

How come people consider killing themselves because they are gay, why not go straight.

You can't choose feelings. Also suicide may due to a mental problem or just extremely sad. Some have inner turmoil due to religion, job, etc. Would you kill yourself if you had AIDS?

How come people go to doctors and ask to be "made normal", as they are miserable with their hiding secret.

That's a societal issue clashing with how they feel?

Even when given intensive therapy, most cannot be changed?

Go to therapy and change the type of woman you like.

A conscious choice, I think not. Particularly when there are gays pleading to be straight, if for no reason other than to considered "normal", not because they think they are bad people.

Explain to me, why this makes sense to you, I really don't get it.

Ok now to sum it up, I don't think it's a conscious choice for one to like the same, both, or opposite sex. You've even quoted me as saying....the act is choice the feeling is not. WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT? or better yet WHAT ARE YOU ON?

Sexual preference is a basic genetic survival instinct. As animals, we are born to eat, reproduce and die. Our interest in females is programmed and we respond to their physical appearance and the phermones they secrete.

I think I'm programmed to fuck. Most have discovered masturbation by brushing across their own genitals by accident and it feels good. The nerves of the penis in one's pants start to stir up trouble.

We don't eat treebark do we, we eat meat. We eat what we were made to digest. Our bodies direct us to these food sources by telling us they smell "good". Not just, that but I cannot choose to find treebark "yummy", there are no neural setup to support this.

Again I don't why you are harping on this choosystuffwhatchamacallit. Also not all of us find that the same food sources smell "good" or taste "good".

Our neural circuitry tells us what to think, not the other way around.

Like a robot?

Just the same way as we are directed towards females because they make us horny. "Horny" is just natures way of telling us that women are what we need to make babies.

Good assumption...it is an assumption. Why do we need to make babies? If what you say is true about what nature is "telling" us then homosexuals are unnatural. I don't buy it.

So we pick women over men, like we pick steak over tree bark.

So I pick women over men, like I pick steak over chitterlings. I agree. chitterlings are nasty, just nasty!!!

Within women, we have preferences. Some preferences are more instinctual than we are aware. We are most attracted to those women that appear "healthy" to us. This is natures way of telling us that this mate will be fertile and bear children. Do you find old ladies "hot" or cancer ridden patients "sexy"? No, they don't look like they can bear children. You may not think of in these terms, but that is how your body sees it.

Good assumption...it is an assumption. I am most attracted to women with a phat ass, now I sometimes call that a "healthy ass", but you are mapping everyone the same way. If my body sees a woman as healthy why won't I sleep with her if she ain't on the pill. I don't want kids. Wow, that doesn't jell with "my body chose her because she had them child bearin' hips."

On the converse, how do women pick us to father their babies. Birds use mating calls. If the man does not do the right dance or sing the right tune, he is considered a "damaged goods". Female women do much the same with us. They make us jump through hoops to try and ensure that we will make the appropriate commitment to them. They need help with a baby, they want a father for their child, and dating and romance is how they screen us.

You just described environmental factors which many times don't apply. You are comparing humans to birds when I don't consider birds near any level of intelligence. I may look good and have a nice body but my woman likes me because I'm funny and like to think on an even keel (her weird words). We're jellin' like a felon.
Some women pick the father of their babies because they have "good hair". For some, the sex was good. For some it's money and a protector. For some it's..........no point made.

You don't see women going to the bathhouses for random sex do you? Unlike the gay male who can have 100's of annoymous partners a year, women have different biologic goals, that is not how they are programmed.

Men are dominant. You don't think in this male dominated world that we don't want it that way? So you are saying what? That women were not programmed to go to bathhouses. Sadly I haven't had a threesome but I have seen women have an orgy twice.

Bottom line though, women like men, men like women, that is default programming. But like any program, errors can occur.

So you are saying homosexuality is an error? I disagree about the default programming. We are human beings with different wants and desires. Some are outlandish to some and normals to others.

Preferences are not as arbitrary as they appear.

We went from gay marriage to genetically gay to why I like to fuck.....

Btw do you agree with this...
Male with a transexual female is a homosexual.

Just curious.

[vidcc]

There are so many flaws in that post that I don't know where to begin....
So let's start, shall we?

but you can't prove the're flaws

[Busyman]

Could you please try to do it intelligibly, I am genuinely interested in what you see as the flaws.

No and I'm going to edit the previous post. I didn't have time before leaving work.

[hobbes]

There are so many flaws in that post that I don't know where to begin....
So let's start, shall we?

I found a few typos.

Just remember that a rebuttal either explains how a particular statement is incorrect and attempts to correct it, perhaps using an example.

Or it attempts to correct what you think is a misunderstanding of what you have been saying.

It does not contain, "this is bullshit, that is more bullshit", as your opinions really are hardly the final word on the subject, they are merely your perspective.

[Busyman]

I found a few typos.

Just remember that a rebuttal either explains how a particular statement is incorrect and attempts to correct it, perhaps using an example.

Or it attempts to correct what you think is a misunderstanding of what you have been saying.

It does not contain, "this is bullshit, that is more bullshit", as your opinions really are hardly the final word on the subject, they are merely your perspective.

Sorry I wrote a typical Busyman post like I said to Fugley.

You'll see according my post that yours is actually flawless. Especially the part about choice.

It's unintelliglesble. Sorry, no rebutt lett. I can only mark Some College on my resume.

If I have time I'll get back to it intelligfferbly.