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    I thought this was definately a worth for a Tutorial section in the Internet section,
    this site is very informative about Searching the Intarnjet.
    If you disagree, feel free to remove it.

    I was lost for 2 weeks last summer, between the pages...

    Truly a pearl amongst the dot com hell,
    even if its not updated so often, I find it very informative.

    Here's the mirrors of one of the sites are down:


    More about the site itself:

    This deals about how to search information in the Internet, and much more.

    It goes way deep on the search engines and how use them,
    it also have a section called "scrolls" which are kinda like little
    search tools.

    The site is not limited to Searching also, so I might be on the grey area on this,
    but the amount of information in the site is awesome.

    It is not slammed together by punch of 12 years old, as a warez or whatnot.
    there's no popups and other annoying shit.

    They layout is somewhat artistic, theme is about linguar as it gets.
    Should be very interesting read for ppl who likes languages, grammar, latin,
    poetry. JPaul, Manker, J2, Hobbes, RF, Sara.... list is endless...
    you lot with language "skillz" (boob-boob, ziggy?) should find this place a pleasant read.
    (compared to so many other sites)

    "Stat sua cuique dies: breve et irreparabile tempus
    Omnibus es vitae: sed famam extendere factis,
    Hoc virtutis opus."

    I find +fravia (the head gonzo) perhaps a little paranoid sometimes,
    , but im just a zombie so...

    Anyways, here's a snippet about +fravia:
    Despite being a programmer myself, and though having used computers since the late seventies, I am working "in my real life" as a linguist (read translator), expert for all "informatic related" linguistic fields.
    Yet my (long) university formation was in the field of the early middle ages written sources exegesis: aka "Quellenforschung".

    Though not German myself (Gott sei dank :-) I made my post-university Doctorate in Germany where I was lucky to have as Mentor Frithjof Sielaff, one of the very few German Quellenforscher "of the old school" able to survive the last world war (which destroyed definitely the whole school: two wars in fifty years were simply too much... those 'Quellenforscher' that did not die during the first world war, did disappear during the second... so much for german Gründlichkeit :-)

    Since being a real linguist and translator allows me to understand quite well - at least passively- more languages that I will ever really need, this asset can also be of some value on a more and more international web.
    Let's cut it short: I believe that my software-reverser past, my current real-life activity as "linguist expert in informatic and web-related matters" (whatever that is supposed to mean :-) and my long (and hard) university and post-university formation in "Quellenforschung" do flow together and form a quite relevant base for my personal capability as a teacher for searching lores. I may be wrong, of course, and your criticisms are therefore more than welcome. Hubris should be avoided, by all means, as always.

    What is the web of today? "avoid info overloads", "don't loose your track", "guess names", "feel" the correct path of investigation. You would be surprised how important all these fields are when you are trying to dig some nuggets out of the poor-documented history of -say- the merowingian nobles :-)

    I'll try to explain why, because I believe it is relevant for our searching purposes.

    Some researchers have been formed, using special tools, methods and approaches, in order to study and teach a very specific and "weird" scientific field: "written history sources of the early middle ages" (600-987). This field is quite different from analogous "more ancient" or "more recent" historical font-digging activities: in that specific time-interval people used (at least in Europe) pergament, not paper and not clay. Pergament is a "funny" media: it is in fact re-writable! Yup! You can scratch it -with a stone- back to white, deleting (almost completely) the previous writings in the process.
    Now, since pergament was also expensive, it has been used and used again. As a consequence very few original documents of the early middle ages have survived... imagine all those silly monks, that - later - have happily re-cycled valuable ancient sources in order to write down for the thousandth time one of their boring holy-lives (Acta sanctorum). The original source disappeared and survived only through small snippets of citation, hidden references, copycatted snippets elsewhere. The quellenforscher of the early years of last century had to re-construct them, in an extremely difficult and clever backward approach, reversing the snippets that have survived.
    This happened ONLY in the early middle ages. For this reason that period can be considered the "black hole" of our past history... for whole centuries we know nothing but the NAMES of a couple of kings (but names are -as always- very important per se go ahead and study the history of Mercia... see? Keorl, Pybba... they sound like Karl and Pippin don't they? And... :-)
    Pergament, pergament... a terrible story, isn't it? We have far more data about the previous "clay" times... Will probably happen again now, paper times vis-à-vis bytes times, eh.
    See: on one hand almost every friday some "indiana jones" archeologist falls into some tomb filled with perfectly conserved terracotta writings, on the other hand all historians of the late middle ages (the paper, non-pergament, period) are continuously visiting godforgotten paper-archive in order to write a couple of completely useless volumes about -say- "Commerce in Lübeck from 1563 to 1566".
    About the Longobards (on the third and weirdest hand :-) we have only around 50.000 written words. Once you have gathered and read all of them, you know as much as any other can know about that period (given or taken a couple of archeological findings). The problem is

    * to find ALL snippets of relevant information, some of them being "lost" or "hidden";
    * then to collate them, checking their validity and evaluating them behind all "smoke";
    * then to "squeeze" such meager information - like a lemon - into a coherent interpretation;
    * then - once more - to check if this interpretation is coherent with the "assumed" picture we have (questioning this "current established picture" again and again - even and specially when it looks oh so "obvious").

    Samo samo applies when searching info on the web IMO.
    All "Quellenforschung" lores and great names like Bresslau, Holder-Egger, Waitz and least but not last Hofmeister should actually be well known subjects for all web-searchers, since the techniques they used are very often very useful when perusing and digging this giant library without index and with lost snippets of information that we call the web.

    Thus the teachings about "finding" rare snippets of information among tons of crap have proved quite useful on a web, which - as you will already have realized - is an Ocean of knowledge... about two centimeters deep. De hoc satis: You'll judge by yourself.

    There is another reason for my activity: I wanted, and still wish to show in the future that you can create - ON YOUR OWN - a non-commercial site that spreads for free REAL knowledge. As I have already demonstrated, this kind of "web-snowballs" can grow quite a lot.
    Funny as it may seem, believe me, a lotta people dislike this. Some cannot even understand it, others understand it much too much... and hate it even more.
    "What? Whattf? This guy is sitting on the web since 1995 without even trying to make some money out of it? Must be nut! I hate this! Let's destroy this crap or else it risks developing into another of these silly anti-commercial web-trends!"
    Ah! See: this is the best and only way, imo, to counter the commercialisation of our society... and of the web. Give freely and demonstrate at the same time that only giving has any sense at all... Virtute duce, comite fortuna!
    But that is not enough! Retaliate we must: See: "they" take and pocket our data, our lives, our rights, our hopes, our feelings and our chances just in order to squeeze some money out of that. Should we allow it? No! Let's answer back. Let's try to destroy the very roots of their pathetic "weltanschauung"!
    The formatting was lost on the quote, but its all from this page: (copy paste to browser)

    So, I wish you farewell now.
    Im off for a journey today, in the destination there is no internet connection,
    maybe not for many moons. (I'll be back someday again)
    Until I get one, learn more aobut the Web and be nice to each others,
    and ofcource:


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