Originally Posted by hobbes
I did let that go because we're in teh serious part of the board. Bad hobbes.
effendi
I did let that go because we're in teh serious part of the board. Bad hobbes.
I plan on beating him to death with his kids. I'll use them as a bludgeon on his face. -
--Good for them if they survive.
Lagomorph
I did let that go because we're in teh serious part of the board. Bad hobbes.
I'll be in the lounge if you need me.
Anyway, we were talking about smoking in public places, I believe.....
Aren't we in the trust tree, thingey?
Poster
BT Rep: +1
How many people smoke beer gardens?
The best way to keep a secret:- Tell everyone not to tell anyone.
former star
If so many people want complete smoke free places, why don't pubs, restaurants do as the public asks? just a sign on the front smoke free.
But also give people the right to have smoking places.
That way people can choose where they wanna be, they're free to choose themself. If the majority wants smoke free i'm pretty sure that almost all clubs/pubs and restaurants will turn smoke free.... just because they want to attract people
But the dictatorship of the non smokers probably try to prevent that, just because they know that smoking places will always be more fun to visit, then places that the saltless non smoking Jerks visit.
Poster
Jetje once posted a fantastic link to a site that linked to newspapers across the globe. Unfortunatly I lost it in a crash, so maybe we could be lucky and have him post this again, I am sure some of us would be greatly appreciated.
The problem with this is that the majority of people who are chanting for a smoking ban do not in fact visit these places anyway. It seems that these people get a profound ego boost when they are able to control others to such a degree.
Shovel Ready
I see two problems with the way the "smoke-free" environments are being forced down our throats.
Firstly, the object group ( in this case, smokers) are demonized/marginalized as morally or socially deficient, thus making it easier and more palatable to slap them with sin-taxes.
Personally, I dislike chewing gum...I'd love to see a public ban on that disgusting habit. Does my dislike give me the right to look down MY nose at the practisioners?
And please, DO NOT get me started on Spandex....
Secondly, the tax is regressive...if it works as planned the tax base shrinks, yet the state's need for the income does not, so it must find another group to soak for the money.
It's easy to scorn those who use tobacco ( or alcohol) so it's easy to justify taxing them unfairly, but when they are gone who takes up the tax burden next?
Finally, there are the egregious examples of "political correctness" ( one of J2's favorite sore spots).
In Boulder, CO., a cigar bar was forced to implement a non-smoking area.
C'mon, get real.
As an unrepentant smoker I can appreciate and accomodate the desires of the majority and make every effort not to inflict my vice upon them, but I've had it up to here with the moral superiority inflicted upon me in the form of sin taxes and restrictions.
Bah, humbug.
Last edited by clocker; 11-15-2004 at 02:39 PM.
"I am the one who knocks."- Heisenberg
Broken
An It Harm None, Do What You Will
there is no god
clocker
as a non smoker i don't want to stop you smoking, i just want to stop having to involuntarily smoke.
i don't see you as "demonized/marginalized as morally or socially deficient" or look down upon you for your habit. i do feel sympathy for the considerate smoker, however you must admit that there are a huge amount of inconsiderate smokers and they are the ones that have brought this issue to the forefront by their inconsiderate actions.
The gum issue i will stand with you... I remember what the statue of liberty was like before the ban on gum...that and i hate the noise from people that chew with their mouth open.
it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.
Shovel Ready
K, fine by me.as a non smoker i don't want to stop you smoking, i just want to stop having to involuntarily smoke.
Actually, no.however you must admit that there are a huge amount of inconsiderate smokers and they are the ones that have brought this issue to the forefront by their inconsiderate actions.
I don't know many ( or any, for that matter) such people.
I'm sure they exist, but I don't see this happening myself.
What I DO experience firsthand is the totally unsolicited advice from strangers who feel compelled to lecture me on the evils of smoking and what I should do to improve myself.
I am obligated ( nay, forced) to put up with this from my mother, but from strangers....no.
"I am the one who knocks."- Heisenberg
Lagomorph
Point 1:
It is kind of like foreigners condescending attitude when they tell you how you should run your country and who you should elect. The old moral highground.
Even if they have a point, it certainly makes one a wee bit defensive. Who the hell are you to tell me what to do?
Point2:
About peoples attitude toward smokers, cry me an ashtry, smokie the bear.
(Not a constructive or helpful point, I just thought it sounded funny, so there.)
Last edited by hobbes; 11-15-2004 at 04:44 PM.
Aren't we in the trust tree, thingey?
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