BBC:" New claim on location of Atlantis"

**Rat Faced** · 11-29-2004, 02:18 PM

If Sedna is a planet, then Quaoar, 2004 DW and Varuna should be... they are larger than Sedna and closer..

The trouble is that there is no universally recognised definition of "Planet"..

Pluto isnt a planet by some definitions either..

**Rat Faced** · 11-29-2004, 02:27 PM

On Topic...

On the information that is available, bearing in mind that no one actually knows anything, i'd say that Santorini ihas a good chance of being Atlantis..

Plato described it as a City surrounded by water, and that it had disappeared in a catastrophy.

Santorini had a lake connected to the Mediterranian by a canal, and a large Island in the centre of this lake that held part of the Minoan Civilisation, until the largest known Volcanic Eruption in about 1400BC (which also matches the date Plato claimed it sank) blew the Island apart and turned it into a crecent shape.

The Egyptions also knew of the Atlantians and called them the sea people.. archeologists have uncovered plenty of evidence that the Minoans on Santorini traded with the Egyptions, and is close enough to the rest of the Greek Myths to fullfill most of their claims.

**Barbarossa** · 11-29-2004, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Rat Faced

If Sedna is a planet, then Quaoar, 2004 DW and Varuna should be... they are larger than Sedna and closer..

The trouble is that there is no universally recognised definition of "Planet"..

Pluto isnt a planet by some definitions either..

Maybe the aliens have a more logical system of classification...

on topic..

I agree about santorini..

**manker** · 11-29-2004, 02:49 PM

Plato said that Atlantis sank circa 10000BC. Santorini may have been the basis for some Atlantean legend but to cite Plato as a source to promote Santorini as Atlantis contradicts this.

Egyptians called everyone Sea People if they came to Egypt by boat. To state that the Sea People were from Atlantis cannot be wholly correct, and that's being kind.

**Rat Faced** · 11-29-2004, 03:59 PM

I was always told he was telling a story about 1000 years before him, ie: 1000 + 400 BC = 1400 BC..

This is backed by the fact that he stated that there was a war between Athens and Atlantis..

Athens didnt exist as a "City State" until the Geometric Period (900-700 BC), and if we take the rise of civilisation on mainland Greece, then the earliest is Mycenaean in the late Bronze age.. eg: about 2500 years ago.

Its known that the Minoan Civilization is earlier on the Greek Islands, however if you take it as Minoan then it would have been a civil war which isnt that which is indicated.

All archaelogy so far found seems to indicate that circa 10,000 BC, there were just hunter/gatherers in the Greek area, and no civilisations were around there at the time.. therefore there couldnt have been war between Athens and the Atlanteans.

The Mycenaean civilisation collapsed in Greece circa 1100 BC (roughly) and the art of writing was lost in the area until the rise of the City States... so any History before this would have been via "Word of Mouth" and in Egypt. This is also what is claimed by Plato.

The only thing that Santorini lacks that Plato claims (except an extra zero on the date, which could easily be a typo

) is land mass. Plato claimed that its land mass was as large as Libya and Asia (in his known world).. ie we dont know how big he claimed it was, but was a lot bigger than Santorini.

**manker** · 11-29-2004, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Rat Faced

I was always told he was telling a story about 1000 years before him, ie: 1000 + 400 BC = 1400 BC..

This is backed by the fact that he stated that there was a war between Athens and Atlantis..

Athens didnt exist as a "City State" until the Geometric Period (900-700 BC), and if we take the rise of civilisation on mainland Greece, then the earliest is Mycenaean in the late Bronze age.. eg: about 2500 years ago.

Its known that the Minoan Civilization is earlier on the Greek Islands, however if you take it as Minoan then it would have been a civil war which isnt that which is indicated.

All archaelogy so far found seems to indicate that circa 10,000 BC, there were just hunter/gatherers in the Greek area, and no civilisations were around there at the time.. therefore there couldnt have been war between Athens and the Atlanteans.

The Mycenaean civilisation collapsed in Greece circa 1100 BC (roughly) and the art of writing was lost in the area until the rise of the City States... so any History before this would have been via "Word of Mouth" and in Egypt. This is also what is claimed by Plato.

The only thing that Santorini lacks that Plato claims (except an extra zero on the date, which could easily be a typo

) is land mass. Plato claimed that its land mass was as large as Libya and Asia (in his known world).. ie we dont know how big he claimed it was, but was a lot bigger than Santorini.

The historical information relating to no artifacts existing in the Greek area, a war between the Atlanteans and Athenians etc etc just goes to show that Santorini is unlikely to have been Atlantis. You see fit to denounce the extra zero as a typo so why stop there, maybe when Plato said that Atlantis was as large as Lybia and Asia, perhaps he meant to write as large as Santorini.

Oh wait - that's ridiculous, but it is still altering what Plato wrote to suit the Med theory.

Plato's Atlantis story is just that - a recantation of a chinese whispered account that served as entertainment performed for Greek philosophers by a child over 100 years before Plato was born.

It is little more than a legend embellished by the vivid and varied imagination of Plato. A legend that may well be rooted in fact but any links with the Mediterranian were put there to make the tale more interesting to his Med based audience.

There are far more compelling theories that do not rely on anecdotal tales to explain the Atlantean legend, the Piri Re'is map and others like it, for example.

**hobbes** · 11-29-2004, 10:03 PM

Don't we all want to believe in monsters, magic places and aliens?

I think these physical mysteries are what those who have rejected conventional religion feed on. Not so much the Loch Ness monster, which is just simple fun, but the whole concept that there are aliens out there that populated our planet and are viewing us from afar.

With all that space out there, it certainly seems possible that something is out there, somewhere.

Aliens are religion for some. And like some immerse themselves and entire lives in Biblical studies and the search for lost artifacts and scrolls, others tirelessly search for alien remnants and moniter the sky.

You people have rather eclectic interests, and that is what makes this board so interesting.

**Rat Faced** · 11-29-2004, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by manker

The historical information relating to no artifacts existing in the Greek area, a war between the Atlanteans and Athenians etc etc just goes to show that Santorini is unlikely to have been Atlantis. You see fit to denounce the extra zero as a typo so why stop there, maybe when Plato said that Atlantis was as large as Lybia and Asia, perhaps he meant to write as large as Santorini.

Oh wait - that's ridiculous, but it is still altering what Plato wrote to suit the Med theory.

Plato's Atlantis story is just that - a recantation of a chinese whispered account that served as entertainment performed for Greek philosophers by a child over 100 years before Plato was born.

It is little more than a legend embellished by the vivid and varied imagination of Plato. A legend that may well be rooted in fact but any links with the Mediterranian were put there to make the tale more interesting to his Med based audience.

There are far more compelling theories that do not rely on anecdotal tales to explain the Atlantean legend, the Piri Re'is map and others like it, for example.

I said no one knows..

I just think that Santorini is the closest match to what Plato said, and as such I think (and im no expert) that the Minoan Civilisation were the "Atlantians" that Plato was on about

There are underwater cities all over the world, and all parts of the world have myths of Cities sinking.. This fuels those that try and find Atlantis, even though to my mind, they may all be talking about different Civilisations.

Even today, Major Cities are often close to the Sea. It would have been even more important long ago, as the Sea would have been THE major source of Trade, which is needed to have a "Civilisation"... when the Seas rise, the Cities sink.