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    Deja vu? don't you think they'd want to absolutely sure of "intelligence" (cough, choke) before they start spewing? Might be true, might not, but a walk-in source is, well...seems like some feathers got ruffled. This will be part 2 of the War..you know, the WMD war, no, the liberation war, no, the democracy war, the um..what is it again?
    Source of Powell's Iran intelligence under scrutiny
    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The source of intelligence used this week by U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell to suggest Iran is working on a nuclear weapons program may not be reliable, knowledgeable sources told CNN Friday.

    The issue surfaced when The National Council of Resistance of Iran -- which is on the U.S. State Department's list of terrorist organizations -- revealed satellite photographs this week it said showed a hidden nuclear plant in Iran, allegations the Iranians denied.

    "This allegation is timed to coincide with the next meeting of the board of governors of the IAEA [International Atomic Energy Agency]," Iran's top nuclear negotiator, Hussein Moussavian, said. "And every time just before the meeting there are these kind of allegations either from the United States or terrorist groups. And every time these allegations have proven to be false."

    Powell, en route to the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Santiago, Chile, told reporters he had seen intelligence that appears to "corroborate" the resistance group's information.

    Some U.S. officials were angered by a report in Friday's edition of The Washington Post which quotes two sources who said Powell used information that was classified, and from a single unvetted source.

    The Post article said the information Powell shared with reporters came from a "walk-in" source who approached U.S. intelligence and may or may not be reliable.

    While declining to say whether the Post account was accurate, one U.S. official said "public discussion of the details of the human source of intelligence is irresponsible and a remarkably bad idea."

    The official called it "disturbing" that other officials would discuss sources and methods in any detail with a journalist.

    Analysts say the CIA may ask the Justice Department to investigate the leak.

    Intelligence insiders question whether the leak could have come from their community, which traditionally guards information about sources and methods very carefully.

    The intelligence upon which Powell based his comments to reporters was disseminated to a range of officials at the State Department, the White House, and the Pentagon, among other entities.

    A British source also said his government was aware of the information.

    The Post reported that the "walk-in" source delivered "more than 1,000 pages purported to be Iranian drawings and technical documents, including a nuclear warhead design and modifications to enable Iranian ballistic missiles to deliver an atomic strike."

    Before the Post story appeared, Powell discussed his Wednesday comment with Chilean television.

    "Now, I made a statement yesterday that said we had some information," Powell said. "I've seen some information, and the dissidents have put out more information, that suggests that the Iranians are also working on the designs one would have to have for putting such a warhead into a missile.

    "This shouldn't be brand-new news. This shouldn't surprise anybody. If they had been working on a nuclear weapon and design a warhead, certainly they were also trying to figure out how they would deliver such a warhead."

    In October, Iran said it could mass produce the Shahab-3 missile, capable of hitting Israel and U.S. forces in the Mideast, although it insisted that the missiles were only for defensive purposes. Reports at the time said the missile was capable of carrying a conventional or nonconventional warhead.

    Powell, who has submitted his resignation and will not serve in the second Bush administration, said the Iranians need to "convince the international community that they are not moving in the direction of a nuclear weapon, and they will comply with their obligations to the IAEA." source
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    While declining to say whether the Post account was accurate, one U.S. official said "public discussion of the details of the human source of intelligence is irresponsible and a remarkably bad idea."
    Of course not.. the public (apart from the US) were right last time.. last thing they'd want is for the next lot of intelligence to be "Discussed" and disagreed with again.

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    This will be part 2 of the War..you know, the WMD war, no, the liberation war, no, the democracy war, the um..what is it again?
    agreed. i was an idiot for not doing anything when america invaded Iraq, by god i wont do the same if something like that happens again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpt_azad
    agreed. i was an idiot for not doing anything when america invaded Iraq, by god i wont do the same if something like that happens again.
    So....what exactly are you saying here?

    Does this mean you will call me a killer again?
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    The issue surfaced when The National Council of Resistance of Iran -- which is on the U.S. State Department's list of terrorist organizations -- revealed satellite photographs this week it said showed a hidden nuclear plant in Iran, allegations the Iranians denied.
    Can anyone tell me how this organisation managed to get these satellite photographs, yet the information in them seems to be a surprise to the intelligence communities?

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    I have to say Lynx, that is what crossed my mind also.

    There is no way on this earth that the handful of people, the US, the EU, Russia and China, who can take these kind of pictures are going to hand them over to a pressure group (that is itself on the US terrorist list) without having already extracted all the data themselves.

    Consequently, the group is being used as a front by someone who has access to the pictures to push a particular political viewpoint as the EU and Iran come to some sort of agreement. In short, a classic spoiling move and I suspect it will be treated as such in diplomatic circles.

    This is not to say that I think Iran is innocent in this matter - on the contrary I believe they are content to agree a halt now to further activity because they are most likely already there and have what they need. Iran borders Pakistan and the flow of technology and knowledge that came from Pakistan over the past few years has undoubtedly made its way to Tehran.
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