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  • yes it's democracy for good or bad, deal with it

    8 72.73%
  • yes but we can refuse to deal with them until a change is made

    2 18.18%
  • no and we should do everything in our power to change the result

    1 9.09%
  • yes, no conditions

    0 0%
  • no, no conditions

    0 0%
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Thread: Ukraine elections

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    vidcc's Avatar there is no god
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    Just assume the result is correct and the accusations of fraud are baseless...

    a lot has been said that relations are going to sour with this elected government in place, many countries are refusing to accept the result.

    given that it was a democratic election should other countries, especially those pushing for democracy worldwide, accept the result. they don't have to like the result but should they accept it as the price of democracy.

    the reason for asking is with the iraqi elections upon us soon i wonder will the result be accepted if an unfavoured party wins.


    edit: could a mod fix the typo in the poll title please.... regognised needs changing to the correct spelling..... thanks

    edit 2: thanks whoever it was
    Last edited by vidcc; 11-25-2004 at 04:23 PM.

    itís an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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    Not sure about this.

    By unpopular do you mean that the vote was rigged and the minority candidate won by cheating. By definition the majority vote is the popular choice even if the opposition is unhappy and other countries dislike the policies of the winner. In the former, the result should be shown to be a fraud and overturned (preferably by constitutional means) and in the latter it is none of our business.
    Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum


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    what happens if the iraqis vote against democracy.

    about the thing in ukraine, was it rigged or is there just a lot of sore losers?

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    There's enough doubt that there is a good possibility of civil war, and that possibility gets closer every day

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    maybe it would be good to split as the seems to be a definate border

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDave
    what happens if the iraqis vote against democracy.

    about the thing in ukraine, was it rigged or is there just a lot of sore losers?

    It was rigged

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    Western Ukraine appears to have almost exclusively voted for the EU leaning liberal reformer and the Russian speaking East of the country for the traditional ex-Communist. This is not a good receipe as each side will be convinced they won the election as they are surrounded by people saying "I dunno, I definitely voted for X".

    If they resolve this through internal constitutional means it will be for the best. This is not a good time for either Russia or the West to interfere. Neither side should be seen to be supporting one side but rather remain aloof and let the Ukrainian courts deal with it. To be seen to be favouring one side over the other will only inflame matters. A country that size having a civil war does not bear thinking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles
    Not sure about this.

    By unpopular do you mean that the vote was rigged and the minority candidate won by cheating. By definition the majority vote is the popular choice even if the opposition is unhappy and other countries dislike the policies of the winner. In the former, the result should be shown to be a fraud and overturned (preferably by constitutional means) and in the latter it is none of our business.
    Quote Originally Posted by vidcc

    Just assume the result is correct and the accusations of fraud are baseless...
    from the original.

    by unpopular i mean not the party we want to win...the whole poll being about foriegn governments accepting whoever is elected..
    Last edited by vidcc; 11-25-2004 at 08:21 PM.

    itís an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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    vidcc's Avatar there is no god
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDave
    about the thing in ukraine, was it rigged or is there just a lot of sore losers?
    i do wonder if there are any "exclusions" in the candidates for the iraqi elections...if so is it a fair vote.
    Last edited by vidcc; 11-25-2004 at 08:38 PM.

    itís an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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    vidcc's Avatar there is no god
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDave
    what happens if the iraqis vote against democracy.?
    i think the only way they could do that is to boycott the election completely, i haven't heard if there is a minimum turnout to validate elections.
    If the elected government decide to stop future elections i guess we will be back in there again.... depending on our view of the government.

    itís an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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