So Called"friendly Fire"

[Rat Faced]

Blue on Blue happens.

Live with it.

I have commented on how unfair it was to blame the US troops that set up the Patriot System that shot down the Tornado. No heads should roll for that, its an automatic system, the communications failure could have been at EITHER end.

No UK ppl seem to have mentioned the Blue on Blue on US troops, both here and in Desert Storm......maybe because our news service dont see any gain by giving it the same airtime.

WE killed US troops in Desert Storm too. One that comes readily to mind is a Chieftain Tank that blew the fuck out of an Abrahams (sp) Tank......ever hear of that??

Or how about the UK tank that opened fire on another UK tank in this war?


I can say one thing though..........if the US pilots werent so fucked up on drugs when they got into the cockpit, this type of thing wouldnt happen as often. USA are the only country that thinks it right to have their pilots high in this way. (Consider the Canadians they killed not so long ago....and they werent even in a combat situation then)


But even if they werent, Blue on Blue would still happen......it happens ALL THE TIME! Anyone that doesnt know the extent that it happens, and the reasons why, obviously has never been in the military.

Trust me on one thing OK?

If it DIDNT happen......there would actually be MORE casualties. It would mean people were taking TOO LONG to make decisions.....resulting in A LOT more casualties from ENEMY fire.


The crack about the French is totally unwarrented. If you feel that way, then you must still yern to be a Constitutional Monarchy......as the French sent thousands to their death to gain the USA independance.

They also fought valiantly whilst under enemy occupation in WWII...If US troops were captured they were POWs....if the French were, they were shot.

Its comments like this, that is making the world so anti-american.....you really arent doing yourself any favours.

[WebCheF]

Drugs do suck,

Does anyone know if any navy allows alcohol on board for general consumption?

[WebCheF]

There was no insult to My Statement.

I apoligize if they were taken.

Please read post again.


Thanks in advc.

[Rat Faced]

Originally posted by WebCheF@1 April 2003 - 00:28
Drugs do suck,

Does anyone know if any navy allows alcohol on board for general consumption?

I think most do.

But NOT when the guys are going on duty....

[ezyryder]

I think it is a strange thing. Drugs are bad, very bad (minus marijuana I believe, but that is another debate! so leave it out&#33 I feel they should have drugs with them such as morphine to administer if they need it but going out on duty high, well I think that is wrong (they may not, but that is what I understood from what you have said)

[WebCheF]

The U.S. military prohited all forms of drug use in the military. They monitor as best they can. every person in the forces is randomly screened. but not every day.

Last. the U.S. Navy does not allow boose on board. Only on port leave.

Now the Admiral is a different story. LOL

[Rat Faced]

You may find that this does not extend to certain 'uppers' which they use to keep the Pilots awake. Look at the reasons for the dead Canadians.....

'Uppers' also produce a 'High' which affects judgement....this is the thing i was refering to.

[WebCheF]

Ahh,

Yeah, I have had those in my day. Made a thousand dollar bet on black at a casino, Very Bad.

My Point as I belive yours is also, when shining light on your friends, in a crisis, it makes it very easy to forget what We are trying to find.

[ClubDiggler]

Originally posted by POWER_USER@31 March 2003 - 12:46
I just want to vent my frustration at U.S Airforce now. Just this morning's latest episode has left me num.  A British convoy of trucks CLEARLY MARKED on recon were atttacked by a U.S fighter. TWICE. Even after the convoy were not retaliating fire and doing there best to signal the U.S aircraft,  The U.S fighter opened fire anyway and killed many british soldiers.

The remaining caommander has been interviewed this morning, he's thoughts were:

"THE U.S PILOT HAD NO REGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE! A COWBOY OUT ON A JOLLY!".

I really don't care if any U.S members flame me for this it will just show how Insensitive they are to this war!.

I am very also troubled by the high number of friendly fire
casualties. I share your feelings.

Mistakes, miscomunication, tiredness and other factors seem to
play a major role in every large endeavor. This one unfortunately with
deadly consecuences.

[POWER_USER]

When I first posted regarding Friendly Fire originally it was because of the U.K fighter getting shot down by U.S anti-aircraft batteries. After many days of study the conclusion came down to a human error.

I accept obviously that in a war there will be human errors causing accidents,which could costs lives. But on this latest incident, I have and so have the people involved in the incident classed it as neglegence and incompetance. Not an accident.

The soldier who saw his friend killed by the U.S pilot actually saw the pilot clearly as he passed over on the 1st run just 50 metres overhead. More then 10 of them were waving at the pilot to stop. A civillian child of 12 was just 10 metres away walking with the convoy.

The A-10 are equipt with amazing zoom imaging which can read a 12" by 14" sign form 1500 metres away!!. I really want to know what happens with this pilot. Although the U.S goverment has issued an official apology to the British army and that nothing like this would ever happen again, The only way I can see that happening is if they start Court Marshalling these soliders.