evolution sticker in textbook ruled unconstitutional

[Busyman]

out of all the billions of billions of planets why is it so hard to believe in all the millions of years primordial soup came about

Agreed.

[Busyman]

we lost the need for the strength and coat as we evolved to be smarter and rely on tools

I wish I hadn't posed the questions. I wasn't REALLY looking for answer...sorry.

Now we'll have folks on here speculating why we have a different brow then cro-magnons or why we walk upright. All unproven but fits doesn't make it fact.
I do get to mark "some college" on my resume.

If over 100,000 years all my ancestors stopped "working out", I doubt my DNA would change. but....would it?

[Busyman]

I believe that God created the Universe. However I believe it has changed significantly between it's creation and now.

I believe therefore that God created the earth, but not straight away. It formed from the universe he created.

I believe that life has evolved on Earth. However i also believe that it was created by God in the first place.

UKR, your style is very familiar, have we met at all.

Finally someone who agrees with me.

That's a whole...one person.

[vidcc]

I have suggested that but not in this thread.
i don't doubt it
I have always maintained that it takes an intelligent to set life in motion.

1.It's convenient that we breathe out C02 and plants breathe it in and vice-versa isn't it?
my answer would be that life adapts to enviroment...there are creatures at the bottom of the sea that live in very different climates...personally i think this point doesn't really support either view
I've also maintained that if there was a Big Bang, something intelligent started it. One argument is...Who created God then?

that would have been my question...give it back

2.May I remind everyone that manny's version of creationism being pushed is not ALL creationism......it's CHRISTIAN CREATIONISM....another flaw in creationists argument of it being taught in schools.
yes you may
3. If we came from apes then why are apes still around?

Who has said that evolution only takes one direction ? Just becuase a mutation occurs it doesn't mean that all follow. a species doesn't have to become extinct for a branch to evolve from it

4. @vid - I do believe that all the continents were together at one time. Some sort of fit together like a puzzle even now.

So at some point all land living animals where on the same land but were cut off and we can see the differences in their evolution..if there was no evolution why don't we have the same animals everywhere? .which was why i asked that question of manny

[Busyman]

So at some point all land living animals where on the same land but were cut off and we can see the differences in their evolution..if there was no evolution why don't we have the same animals everywhere? .which was why i asked that question of manny

I've heard a creationists theory that the Biblical flood helped separate the continents (could the flood have been started by earthquakes? Tsumani anyone?(please don't answer)}

3. If we came from apes then why are apes still around?

Who has said that evolution only takes one direction ? Just becuase a mutation occurs it doesn't mean that all follow. a species doesn't have to become extinct for a branch to evolve from it

Again, not really looking for an answer because it's speculation.

I was going to write something about the different races of man originally being one race but separated by climate. The same can be said of migrating apes....but I don't fully buy the change in DNA.

[UKResident]

UKR, your style is very familiar, have we met at all.

A long time ago, you called yourself Jim then, and were quite helpful l believe, posting links and stuff, you've certainly 'evolved' since then.

My premis is to refute your assertion that macro evolution and micro evolution don't exist. I've been quite succesful in that since you've neglected to mention it since.

My assertion is they are one and the same thing, you have not proved otherwise.

I also asked you to prove your assertion that the shrew/homo sapiens sapiens evolutionary path can be traced. You've not done so.

My assertion? It just so happens though that scientists have found a genetic link way back to a 'shrew like animal', our DNA contains a 'history' going back to the beginning of our 'evolution'.

I've refuted your suggestion that the micro/macro evolution theory is merely a creationists trick. Again ... nothing.

Now you're acting as though l 'owe' you an explanation, l owe you nothing, in fact l find you rather tedious.

Rattled? Stop whinging. You've hardly endeared yourself to the board with attacks on mods, members and now my good self.

Resorting to humour now, it doesn't make your 'arguments' any more intelligable.

If we adapted differently then why don't we have the advantages of apes and humans.

l would argue that we do. The theory would be that whatever ape we were would have been quite prolific. Some of them would have been quite comfortable and safe doing what they were doing, living where they were living, and others had a radical change, and found themselves facing new circumstances. It could have been that we came down from the trees and learned to hunt on the plains in packs. We may have faced an ice-age that those of our ilk in warmer climates didn't. There are many things that could have brought about the divergence. l wouldn't claim though that we descended from apes, as far as l'm concerned we are an ape.

[Busyman]

I agree as well.

I'm starting an army then.

[vidcc]

I believe that God created the Universe. However I believe it has changed significantly between it's creation and now.

I believe therefore that God created the earth, but not straight away. It formed from the universe he created.

I believe that life has evolved on Earth. However i also believe that it was created by God in the first place.

Now here is a theory that could be conceivable even though the god part requires faith and has no evidence.

It isn't however what the bible says at this time..or is it ?, and certainly would never have been considered if the "evolution" evidence hadn't come to light. Does anyone think it will in a future re-write if enough people of faith think it is a better explaination?

to which point do you think that the bible of today is not the bible of those that "were actually there" when it was written?
If God created man and spoke "unto him" surely those men would know the truth better than those who are reading the various interpretations that have been written over the years.

[hobbes]

To date I have yet to see "macro-evolution" occur in animals conclusively proven, but to me this aspect of evolution is trivial.

I think "evolution" really gets shaky when it attempts to tackle that very first self replicating organism.

Ok, so we have a primordial soup and molecules bump into one another. Sometimes they react to creat a new molecule, sometimes they don't.

Say as an anology, you throw some yarn in the dryer and come back to find a sweater. That would be very unlikely, but probable, but that is not even close to the miniscule probability of creating a single cell.

A cell that has a memory stored in the form of DNA.

How did randomly reacting molecules (DNA) suddenly become arranged in a pattern which allows another randomly created molecule (RNA) to take that information, go elsewhere and have the endoplasmic reticulum (assembles proteins) understand the base pair language and send another molecule out to get the appropriate amino acid, bring it back for incorporation into a final product protein. This protein is then taken by another protein or vacuole to a cell membrane where it is placed.

How did we randomly get all the information needed to re-create a cell exactly. It is one thing for a complex molecule to form temporarily, but another thing to capture the information to reconstruct that same molecule again. How could molecules bumping at random coordinate the successful creation of a cell membrane, the cell intrastructure, the nucleus and the ability to provide energy to maintain homeostasis.

As much as I am a person of science, I have yet to be able to understand this. For our micro/macro arguments, I can at least logically envision how it is possible, for the creation of the first replicating cell, I cannot.

I would love to get some insight on this.

So now I get to the crux:

I see very serious flaws in "evolution", flaws that make me think that "intelligent design" is likely. Then I realize my next problem, who then created the God who created us? I have solved my problem of life on Earth by creating something more complex than the spontaneous and random creation of our universe. That is of no help.

[vidcc]

Hobbes

I think the most rational answer to all that would be....stuff happens even if we dont yet know how or why..... but i would love to be there when we do