evolution sticker in textbook ruled unconstitutional

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well, as creationism can't be a science; evolution cannot either. The difference is, is that creationism is affrontly religious (due to some things you just have to believe happened) and macro evolution, or stellar evolution, (well all of them besides microevolution) is religion (for the same reason as creationism) masqurading as science and taking our public tax dollars to be taught.

So what it boils down to is you object to tax dollars being spent on something that questions creationism ?....... I did ask before if there will ever be enough evidence for you to accept the scientific "theory"

though I surely don't care for every textbook to have a sticker, a Judge cannot rule against any such sticker; whether it be in a bible or textbook.


yes he can and has

Here's the reason behind the hostility toward debasing macro evolution as fact. (which believe me, they are teaching it as such.)

honestly; There is no other theory to take it's place. The only other one is creationism.
So does everything have to have more than one theory?.... should we denounce the way electricity travels through a wire because there isn't a counter theory? again at what point will there be enough evidence?
but wait; that would mean that there's a God. uh oh, problem.

because if there's a god, then this is his earth, and he owns it, and then we might have to follow his rules.

No one likes following rules. So, the evolution religion stands to give people the freedom to live like they choose.

Are you suggesting that anyone that doesn't believe in God is "immoral"?

So i am an Athiest because i don't like following rules ?

I do find it interesting that you use the word "religion" to describe an acceptance of scientific evidence. What with all the ownership arguments lately over such words as "marriage" and "sacred" (I know you were not part of that)

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[spinningfreemanny]

a bunch of questions

hmm... quote thing is not working...

So what it boils down to is you object to tax dollars being spent on something that questions creationism ?....... I did ask before if there will ever be enough evidence for you to accept the scientific "theory"

wow; of course not; obviously that is not what I stated.
something that questions creationism?
tell me a major university that even footnotes creationism and I will be throughtly suprised.
oh, and BTW; there is next to no evidence that points to evolution theory.

all I'm saying is that creationism and macro-evolution are in the same philisophical boat, only one claims it and one hides it.

if you teach one, teach the other...Or preferrably teach neither; because they both, in my opinion, fall out of the realm of science.

though I surely don't care for every textbook to have a sticker, a Judge cannot rule against any such sticker; whether it be in a bible or textbook.


yes he can and has

Of course, and there lies the problem.

So does everything have to have more than one theory?.... should we denounce the way electricity travels through a wire because there isn't a counter theory? again at what point will there be enough evidence?

no; but there is no other theory that devaluates intelligent design, or the existance of some "God", and, of course, thats whats needed.

So i am an Athiest because i don't like following rules ?

I do find it interesting that you use the word "religion" to describe an acceptance of scientific evidence. What with all the ownership arguments lately over such words as "marriage" and "sacred" (I know you were not part of that)

well, until you show me otherwise, That is all I can come to. You will gladly follow your own rules, I'm sure.



Tell me, if Evolution is true, how do we know right from wrong?
actually, you don't have to bother, as you probably have guessed, there's no answer.

Really though, watch the debates, they're simply amazing.

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wow; of course not; obviously that is not what I stated.
something that questions creationism?
tell me a major university that even footnotes creationism and I will be throughtly suprised.

When someone comes up with solid evidence they will ... you've had a few thousand years

oh, and BTW; there is next to no evidence that points to evolution theory.

That you will accept

all I'm saying is that creationism and macro-evolution are in the same philisophical boat, only one claims it and one hides it.

Here I will note a seperation...creationist claim this is how it happened, but we have no evidence to prove it.... evolutionists claim this is how it happened based on the evidence we have so far...but we will adjust without reservation upon fresh evidence.
You spoke of "gaps" that are as yet unexplained and used those gaps as an arguement for creationism. Please show me where science has claimed it has all the answers?

if you teach one, teach the other...Or preferrably teach neither; because they both, in my opinion, fall out of the realm of science.

teach the one that can be proven with evidence...not acts of blind faith.



Of course, and there lies the problem.

judges make rulings on the constitution as it stands...not as you would like it




well, until you show me otherwise, That is all I can come to. You will gladly follow your own rules, I'm sure.

I am an athiest because i don't believe in fictional characters



Tell me, if Evolution is true, how do we know right from wrong?

What on earth are you on about? what does that have to do with evolution and the origin of species? Do animals other than human know the difference?
actually, you don't have to bother, as you probably have guessed, there's no answer.
tell me...do all cultures share the same opinion of what is "right from wrong"?

Really though, watch the debates, they're simply amazing.

Can you give me any reason for doubting evolution other than it goes against what your religious beliefs are?

[Busyman]

If it wasn't MCVIV then I now understand why Bush won.

Bush does things that are idiotic in the face of common sense.

[Monkster]

Can you give me any reason for doubting evolution other than it goes against what your religious beliefs are?

umm, there is no concrete evidence, as far as i know anyways...oh sure theres embryology, carbon dating, mutation, the like...but i haven't seen any new species being formed.

[UKResident]

There is no such thing as 'micro-evolution' and 'macro-evolution', there is only evolution. Splitting it up into two parts is a not so clever little trick of the creationists. They cannot argue about the whole theory, so they make out that there are actually two of them. What they fail to understand, or refuse to admit, is that in the timescale of life on Earth their so-called 'micro evolution' is all that is needed to achieve 'macro-evolution'.

(As an aside here, if Hobbes and Jpaul have nothing to offer this discussion apart from an obvious attempt to hijack it, could they please continue their little game in the lounge?)

[Skiz]

(As an aside here, if Hobbes and Jpaul have nothing to offer this discussion apart from an obvious attempt to hijack it, could they please continue their little game in the lounge?)

Sheesh...welcome to FST...

[worldpease]

If you were stranded on an island (lol, nothing to do with that show), and wile walking to explore the surownding you find that there, in the middle of nothing, is a house, a big and beautiful house; but then you go in and see that it there is furniture, electricity, there is even whater to drink and take a much desired bath, you go to the kitchen and find that its full of food, everything you could need is in there... then the first thing you ask you self is, who could have made this house?.
Noticed?.
Would you think that the house like that came to be by it self?

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umm, there is no concrete evidence, as far as i know anyways...oh sure theres embryology, carbon dating, mutation, the like...but i haven't seen any new species being formed.

do you think it happens overnight then?

Look at the lung fish..... land crabs.

You mentioned mutation..... isn't that how it happens then?

I suppose that ligers wouldn't count as an example how breeding changes things.

Nature finds a way to adapt...look at how insects breed immunity to our pesticides to become an animal that although hasn't changed physically in appearance can now live in an enviroment that would have killed them before.

look at how our own bodies build immunities and how bacteria and viruses combat those immunities.
The constant change in life is evident before your eyes.... you just have to open them

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If you were stranded on an island (lol, nothing to do with that show), and wile walking to explore the surownding you find that there, in the middle of nothing, is a house, a big and beautiful house; but then you go in and see that it there is furniture, electricity, there is even whater to drink and take a much desired bath, you go to the kitchen and find that its full of food, everything you could need is in there... then the first thing you ask you self is, who could have made this house?.
Noticed?.
Would you think that the house like that came to be by it self?

nice try...however have you noticed that life adapts to its enviroment ?...animals that live in cold areas tend to have thick fur or thicker layers of fat..etc.

cave fish are blind but still have the eye sockets from their ancestors