who is responsible?

[manker]

I find it to hard understand how anyone can NOT see the possibility of a 'Loophole' in this system to allow people to access ANY porn site. I actually dont see the point of the system. Why dont these people just send the sites something equivalent to a Postal or Money Order. That would give them anonimity on both sides of the transaction.

Lets not forget that we are not dealing with a dirty old man in a Mac. We are dealing with people, if you excuse me calling them that, who are intelligent, a lot of them are high up in society. A lot of them are members of groups dedicated to this abnormal behaviour. They are obsessed and will strive to find a loophole. They will even get laws passed in their favour without you having any say.

Let me just, for a moment, describe what has happened in the last 40 years in the UK.

Early 1960's homosexuality illegal and frowned upon.

Middle 1960's homosexuality legal for over 21's.

1980's homosexuality legal for over 18's.

Fairly recently homosexuality legal for over 16's.

I am not homophobic but I cant remember any politician standing for election on any of the above laws. I personally find it obscene that this has allowed older men access to have legal 'access' to naive young boys. Please dont tell me I dont know what I am talking about. In the late 50's and early 60's I was stationed about 200 yards from the houses of parliament. You could not go to a pub in the centre of London without being accosted. Generally by a famous MP.

Sorry for havering a bit.

I'm completely ignoring the rubbish about homosexuality.

Porn sites already let you subscribe by using money orders. Conceivably child porn sites could too, I guess.

Why not ban money orders. Why target a scheme that will be monitored offline and online as being exploitable by pedophiles instead of venting your ire on the fact that they can already access sites anonymously.



Btw, I would venture to say that child pron isn't propagated by websites that you have to pay to enter - Operation Ore probbly put the frighteners on people. I imagine that due to the tracability aspect it is circulated by webrings and - gasp - filesharing.

[vidcc]

So the argument is that these cards should not be sold as they could be used to access "kiddie porn" sites because it is assumed that the company that runs the card system would not police it.

This basically is an argument that we can't have legitimate stuff that could be used for other things...... Hmm...

this is the best argument I have seen for gun control.

The internet should be banned as it can be used to access said sites.

lets ban cameras, as they can be used to produce the material.

Should we ban credit cards because with identity theft access can be made anonomously to those sites ?


Now I agree that we shouldn't make things easier for those evil soon to be having their genitals burnt off with a blowlamp perverts, but I can't accept that we should ban legitimate things because someone may use them for an unintended purpose

[hobbes]

Yeah, right.

There will be a nationwide scheme that any website can sign up to so that someone can access their site anonymously. That site will receive money from this scheme no matter what the content of their site is.

Do you not think that there will be a register of all the sites on the scheme and that someone may just check now and again.

Because I don't.

I think that in such a dubious world, like the interweb, there will be someone checking the content of EVERY site on that register every five minutes, uploads to the site server would have to be approved by a regulatory body.

To insinuate such a thing wouldn't happen is ... ludicrous.

Who can moniter 100,000 sites every 5 minutes looking for a hidden link that is password protected? The sites will all bill under legimate names, only those who have made "contacts" know of any hidden links.

But as I have said, from a computer standpoint I don't know what exactly is possible, but when there is money involved, people tend to become very creative to become user friendly to their special clients.

[manker]

Yep, but the risk of getting registered and traced is bigger if you've paid for site access with your credit card.

What I'm trying to say is that it isn't just the pedophiles that can avoid getting caught by the feds, but also those who gotten access, to whatever it is, unintentionally.

It's sort of gives you a safety margin when surfing questionable (whether you know they are or not) sites. And I guess it might actually save someone from being falsely prosecuted as something they are not, and I'm not sure that isn't a good thing.

Right, but that's not the point.

Why would the Hawt Latina guy sell these cards and advertise them as Hawt Latinas and then put Kiddie porn on his site. The people who expected Hawt Latinas would report the site to the police.

[Snee]

Don't compare this to guns. (@vidcc)

Guns are made purely to cause harm to someone or something, and unless that something is an animal you are by law allowed to hunt, there's not a good reason for you to have a gun.

Or there wouldn't be anyway, if everyone hadn't been allowed to buy guns in the first place, criminals and all.


@manker: I should probably posted that the original comment wasn't aimed@ your reasoning, which I find sound enough.

[manker]

Who can moniter 100,000 sites every 5 minutes looking for a hidden link that is password protected? The sites will all bill under legimate names, only those who have made "contacts" know of any hidden links.

I've already said that server uploads would be pre-approved. There would be no uploading of anything to the site without the say so of the server admin - who would be an employee of the regulatory body. This completely nullifies your point.

But as I have said, from a computer standpoint I don't know what exactly is possible, but when there is money involved, people tend to become very creative to become user friendly to their special clients.

The fact remains that these cards, due to their publically available nature, would be the LEAST likely way to be able to use the interweb to access child porn.

[Cheese]

Who can moniter 100,000 sites every 5 minutes looking for a hidden link that is password protected? The sites will all bill under legimate names, only those who have made "contacts" know of any hidden links.

Web crawlers could (and probably already do for any big porn hosting company) monitor the sites that use these pre-approved cards. They would red-flag any suspious sites for investigation by the server admin.

[vidcc]

Don't compare this to guns. (@vidcc)

Guns are made purely to cause harm to someone or something, and unless that something is an animal you are by law allowed to hunt, there's not a good reason for you to have a gun.

Or there wouldn't be anyway, if everyone hadn't been allowed to buy guns in the first place, criminals and all.

why? it is an item that is used for legitimate reasons. Hunters for example. Home defense is often quoted.

I agree that they have no reason other than to kill..... but many that object to porn say that porn is harmful.

[bigboab]

The fact remains that these cards, due to their publically available nature, would be the LEAST likely way to be able to use the interweb to access child porn.

The least likely way is to use your traceable credit card. Not a card that can not be traced.

[hobbes]

Right, but that's not the point.

Why would the Hawt Latina guy sell these cards and advertise them as Hawt Latinas and then put Kiddie porn on his site. The people who expected Hawt Latinas would report the site to the police.

No, your not getting my point. There will be nothing on the hawt latina site but hawt latinas. If you know how to find the hidden link and have a "special access" code, then and only then can you see any kiddie porn.

If you sign up for hawt latinas that is all you will see and all the regulatory agency will see.

I'm not a computer guy so I can't think of how one could actually do this.

Look at it this way.

Let's say I know where kiddie porn is through my connections on the web. I don't want to send my credit card info to the site. The site says fine, just pay for "hawt latinas VIP edition" every month with a card, then use that membership id to log in here at the kiddie porn site.

That way hawt latinas is just that for standard users, (it doesn't even have to contain a hidden link), and a nice clean way to launder the money for the pedophiles.