@vidcc: That pornography would cause harm to an adult viewing it hasn't actually been proven, except in dubious or biased research.
The kind of damage a bullet will do as it enters your brain on the other hand, is indisputable.
Error xɐʇuʎs
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@vidcc: That pornography would cause harm to an adult viewing it hasn't actually been proven, except in dubious or biased research.
The kind of damage a bullet will do as it enters your brain on the other hand, is indisputable.
Poster
What keep people who have violent criminal historys and the mentally unstable from owning guns because they might hurt someone with them? That makes sense to me. Would you really want someone who was convicted of assault with a deadly weapon owning an UZI, a Desert Eagle and an Ak-47?Originally Posted by vidcc
And then when someone gets busted for having an illegal, unregistered firearm then you can charge them for posessing an unlicensed firearm. Makes sense to me.
Of course guns are different from lets say, restricting porno to minors because guns are made to kill people whereas porn just helps kill sperm.
But seriously people, if a pay child porn site existed then it would get shut down in a week it not less. If it wasent open to the public then it would be just as clandestine as sharing the crap on Freenet.
Last edited by Arm; 02-25-2005 at 06:57 PM.
effendi
Teh fook!
They could do that anyway with a money order, mailed cash or a postal order to pay for Hawt Latinas - why go to all the unecessary trouble and risk of issuing a card that has to be bought via a third party in the high street when it can all be done quietly via anonymous email (for the dodgy links) and normal mail (for the payment).
I submit that contrary to the sensationalism earlier in the thread, this is no 'new' loophole.
Edit: This is also quite different from your original one card enables you to access thousands of sites - one of them could contain child porn point.
Last edited by manker; 02-25-2005 at 07:04 PM.
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--Good for them if they survive.
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Snny & Arm
Aparently you are unaware of my views on gun ownership.... i believe that guns should only be for military and law enforcement agencies.... and for hunters after rigorous checks and strict enforcement.
I raised it as many that object to pornography altogether... hold to their rights to have guns because they are not "criminals" and shouldn't have their right to have guns removed because "guns don't kill people...people do" and they shouldn't have their rights taken away because of the actions of others...
understand where i am coming from ?
it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.
Lagomorph
I said the cards could be a way for pedophiles to go undetected in their surfing of illegal porn.
It avoids the risks of using a credit card, of sending money or money order, it grants the convenience of just buying a legitimate card and it provides a legitimate front through which the providers of kiddie porn can expand their business and submit a legitimate tax return at the end of the year.
I never said the cards should not be allowed, just recognized how one could use them to enhance annoymity and reduce risk of swindled money.
The hysteria in the initial article was directed at children buying the cards, NOT the cards themselves. Since we were all in agreement that the shopowners were to blame for letting the kids get them, the focus of the thread drifted away.
Boab made the point of kiddie porn and in thinking it through I thought that it could certainly be used as a slick way to launder money.
Lagomorph
How? You may have 10,000 totally legitimate sites. Only a couple are fronts for the pedophile porn providers to launder their money.
Frank may like to look at hot latinas and likes the fact that he is not giving out his credit card information. He is totally oblvious to any sort of illegal porn.
Where do you think I have changed anything? Perhaps as the thread has progressed I have sort of honed my vision on how this would actually run, but the concept of laundering money is unchanged.
effendi
Hobbes.
That is a world away from the money laundering scheme.
You've decided against your original, incorrect, assertions and decided on a much less sensational standpoint. I'm okay with that, even if the money laundering idea doesn't make sense as it involves another step rather than just mailing the payment direct.
However, these cards don't make it easier to propagate or access child pornography - the converse to this, which was stated earlier, is the point I took issue with.
With that, I'm off to the pub
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--Good for them if they survive.
Poster
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Lagomorph
If everyone wanted to send money through the mail then the cards would never have come to exist, right. Money orders are a pain. The porn card is overall less risky and more convenient than either cash or money order.Hobbes.
That is a world away from the money laundering scheme.
You've decided against your original, incorrect, assertions and decided on a much less sensational standpoint. I'm okay with that, even if the money laundering idea doesn't make sense as it involves another step rather than just mailing the payment direct.
However, these cards don't make it easier to propagate or access child pornography - the converse to this, which was stated earlier, is the point I took issue with.
With that, I'm off to the pub
How does allowing a card which allows sellers a legimate front and users annonymity decrease child porn distribution.
I have not wavered one bit from my initial post and I have clearly illustrated my point and I cannot recall anything "sensationalistic" about any comments I have made.
I'm off to the track, but the pub sounds more appealing
Last edited by hobbes; 02-25-2005 at 08:05 PM.
Error xɐʇuʎs
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I reckon so, but then you could have just said so in the first place.
They are a bunch of hypocrites if they hold those views, you are right about that.
Last edited by Snee; 02-25-2005 at 08:07 PM.
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