Schoolgirl wins Muslim gown case

[bigboab]

I thought i'd set out a pretty airtight series of points, how can 1 be true and 2 not?

And yet by agreeing to point 1 you're saying that you don't have right to refuse access? Hence the council must have got it wrong initially.
And if 1 is true, 3 has to be true as well, ie if access is allowed regardless of race then it has nothing to do with ethnic guidelines
(sorry rereading it 3 wasn't clear, i didn't mean that ethnic confrontation guidelines don't exist i meant that they don't apply in this case)

I think you are missing the main point. They have 'reasonable access'. The wheelie bin did not constitute that.

[brenda]

1. Yes
2. No not misled me. Probably by calling ethnic guidelines 'Rules' maybe.
3. No he did not. They exist. Seen them at the college where I taught.
I think each place have their own 'unnoficial' rules regarding these things. Frightened of getting sued. Yep its started over here now.

I once worked for an insurance brokers who provided domestic customers with car insurance. When running a quote through the system it would come up with a list of offers with the cheapest at the top. However, the was a list called the NNN list. NNN stood for 'no non-nationals', it listed what I can only describe as 'racist' insurance companies. Employees were told that if a customers name did not sound British and the top quote was from a company on the NNN list then we were to ignore the quote and offer the next one down. This is just one example of how sick our society is and why it angers and frustrates me so much.

[Rat Faced]

source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/b...ts/4310545.stm


basically a girl refused to wear school uniform (tunic and trousers) to wear a jilbab (full length gown). religious advisors say that muslim rules say she can wear the uniform.

she says: yadda yadda yadda 9/11 yadda yadda racist yadda yadda free country yadda yadda yadda.

i say: it's nothing to do with racism, sexism or any kind of prejudice. school uniform rules should be followed. (remember muslim advisors said the current uniform is fine). this is just a case of a teenage girl making a fuss for the sake of making a fuss (like teenagers do)

Im surprised this went to court.

Since the Human Rights Act came into force, its been shown again and again that schools have no right to "force" school uniform or haircuts etc, as these break the "Right of Expresion" proviso in that Act.

They can only "Force" rules like this that have a baring on safety, such as "No Jewellry" etc.

[geezagonk]

This isn't about race or religion, it's about respect, respecting the customs of the country you live in. If I lived in the middle east I'd respect their customs. You can't live in 1 country and expect it to honour the customs that you might have come from.

School uniform is a very important thing and should be totally adhered to. I have 2 boys between the ages of 11 and 13 and they always go to school in uniform. I believe that schools that do not enforce the wearing of uniform encourage bullying, I.E. kids whose parents that can't afford the latest sports/designer wear.

[Busyman]

Two very important and overlooked points, so basic as to be given short-shrift, usually.

Uniforms have been proven to focus attention on academics, rather than the current vogue; if no one is displaying their navel, biceps, or other physical accoutrements, books get read, and that is for the better.

But how can my child read properly without the latest "SeanJohnPuffPDiddyDaddyCombs" Wear?

Great post btw.

[TheDave]

me, busyman and j2k4 all agree.....

[Busyman]

me, busyman and j2k4 all agree.....

Like neopolitan ice cream mang.

[bigboab]

Just so; though I don't know how you can be sure-

Where have my posts gone?

CIA?

[Snee]

I once worked for an insurance brokers who provided domestic customers with car insurance. When running a quote through the system it would come up with a list of offers with the cheapest at the top. However, the was a list called the NNN list. NNN stood for 'no non-nationals', it listed what I can only describe as 'racist' insurance companies. Employees were told that if a customers name did not sound British and the top quote was from a company on the NNN list then we were to ignore the quote and offer the next one down. This is just one example of how sick our society is and why it angers and frustrates me so much.

Brenda, I've been meaning to respond to this for quite some time but have managed to forget it every time I've been in here up 'til now.

What you describe may well have nothing to do with racism or predjudice, or discrimination for its own sake.

The reason certain companies might choose to only cater to individuals with native-sounding names may be one entirely built on statistics, and carefully considered calculations.

I don't know the particulars in the UK, but I would imagine that it's hard for a company to look for certain information about an individual and still stay within the confines of the law.

However, a lot might be determined from looking at your name alone, since it may be a marker for other properties in an individual, like a foreign origin.


For instance, regarding newly become citizens, I recall hearing about statistics showing that people who have recently achieved citizenship tend to be more mobile than average. Meaning that they may change policy to a local company in a new area and so forth, thus bringing in a statistically lower average revenue.

Many such conclusions might be made about those who haven't been citizens for long, one could for instance imagine that certain data showed them to be more likely to lose their job, or that they were more likely to misunderstand the insurance policy they signed because their english isn't as good, which in turn means that they are more likely to complain about it, and that they may have a better chance of suing a company if it's argued that the contract was written in such a manner that it could not be understood, that they were being discriminated against because of their language, and so forth.

Now, it stands to reason that those with a non-native name are more likely to be new citizens, meaning that this is an easy way for a company to eliminate a high-risk, low-guaranteed-income group, with a minimum of effort.

Of course some people are going to try and take this chance. Looking at this in an objective manner one might quite understand how a company could choose this path to maximize their profits.

Just like some companies who insure ceos of large companies will research the risks involved by looking at personality-traits and health, before determining if they are willing to insure the individual, so do these companies look at the risks involved in insuring members of certain demographical groups.



It may not be right and I certainly don't like it, but it makes sense, for totally different reasons than those that would make a teenage girl cry out "discrimination" even though there really was no reason.

[j2k4]

Quite right, SnnY.

Insurance concerns are totally hidebound by their actuarials.

A regretful fact of that business.