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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4


    It would seem clear that the trend toward "official" culture-tweaking is currently biting us on the ass; never mind "someday".
    Clear..how so?.

    what do you see biting us on the ass?

    forget immigration...
    I see our constitution being abused and ignored and although it may be something you like i am not too keen on our government heading towards an almost theocracy.

    it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vidcc
    Don't you think that they are rising because in part (notice IN PART) because they have the sense to have a second language?

    They see a need and answer that need...whereas here the opinion seems to be "why bother?"...... an attitude that could bite us on the ass in the future.
    No, I don't.
    Actually, I think it's totally due to the fact that English is the dominant language of both commerce and science and Chinese is too awkward and unwieldy to supplant it.

    I would be supportive of pushing a second language if I thought most Americans had a marginal grasp of English first.
    Sadly, this is not the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidcc
    Don't you think that they are rising because in part (notice IN PART) because they have the sense to have a second language?

    They see a need and answer that need...whereas here the opinion seems to be "why bother?"...... an attitude that could bite us on the ass in the future.
    Clocker already addressed your first point rather easily.

    To your second..

    I do say why bother.
    We already have educational institutions to teach foreign language.
    English seems to be at the top of the heap so to speak.
    If we are to look to the future, what language is the future?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidcc
    Clear..how so?.

    what do you see biting us on the ass?

    forget immigration...
    I see our constitution being abused and ignored and although it may be something you like i am not too keen on our government heading towards an almost theocracy.
    Immigration cannot be ignored, vid; it is part and parcel of my point.

    If the misguided idea of accomodating the Spanish language had never taken root to begin with, nor fertilized so richly by our government, we would not be suffering the torrent of illegals across the border.

    It is really just that simple.

    We have historically opened our borders to immigrants who desired to come here to live in the country we have built over these 200-plus years.

    The impetus for the emigre was what he could do for himself, freely and without sacrificing personal dignity.

    For centuries, this has been enough, and it should still be so; we have never needed to entice immigrants by offering an ever-widening palette of appetizers, you see?

    The entree is meant to be self-service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4

    If the misguided idea of accomodating the Spanish language had never taken root to begin with, nor fertilized so richly by our government, we would not be suffering the torrent of illegals across the border.

    It is really just that simple.
    Let me see if i've got this right.

    you are saying that we have a flood of illegal immigrants becuase of the language?


    I would say it has more to do with the fact that they can earn more money here even when being paid under minimum wage....... and much of that money leaves our economy as it is "sent beck home". If illegal immigrants couldn't earn more here than at home i doubt we would have many crossing even if our native language was the same.

    it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vidcc
    Let me see if i've got this right.

    you are saying that we have a flood of illegal immigrants becuase of the language?


    I would say it has more to do with the fact that they can earn more money here even when being paid under minimum wage....... and much of that money leaves our economy as it is "sent beck home". If illegal immigrants couldn't earn more here than at home i doubt we would have many crossing even if our native language was the same.
    Sorry if I wasn't clear.

    If you owned a movie theatre and left the emergency exits open, your theatre would constantly be full, but there would be very little traffic past the ticket-taker, and you would go broke.

    Is that better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4
    Sorry if I wasn't clear.

    If you owned a movie theatre and left the emergency exits open, your theatre would constantly be full, but there would be very little traffic past the ticket-taker, and you would go broke.

    Is that better?
    No that's worse..to me that says the problem is insecure borders... which is just something that makes it easier for illegal "economic immigrants" to enter...it still says nothing about how the language encourages it.

    you can have open boarders, you will only get immigration if the immigrants can benefit.
    Last edited by vidcc; 03-24-2005 at 02:23 AM.

    it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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    I'll put plainly...(I've said it before)

    The rise in the Hispanic population is due illegal immigrants.(I know that many become "legal")

    The only advantage in us learning Spanish (besides self-enrichment) is to communicate with Mexican immigrants that America seems to be allowing far too many of.

    What sense does that make?

    Once they get here there isn't an ounce of pressure for them to learn our language. Instead we make concessions for them.

    Stupidity.
    Last edited by Busyman; 03-24-2005 at 02:25 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidcc
    No that's worse..to me that says the problem is insecure borders... which is just something that makes it easier for illegal "economic immigrants" to enter...it still says nothing about how the language encourages it.

    you can have open boarders, you will only get immigration if the immigrants can benefit.
    They not only benefit economically but they benefit culturally. I agree with your first point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Busyman
    Them not having to learn English is placating to them. Since they can get jobs here and have industry change to their liking their is not much incentive to learn English. They may be content to mow hobbes' lawn or do many other jobs at less than minimum wage which, in numerous cases, gives better quality of life than they previously had.
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    Busy get off the spanish language. IT IS JUST AN EXAMPLE

    on the second post about them not having to learn English i will say again that schools will teach both so in a generation nearly the whole country would speak BOTH...not one or the other. there would not be spanish only school or english only schools
    Last edited by vidcc; 03-24-2005 at 02:31 AM.

    it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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