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    Quote Originally Posted by bujub22
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    MARIJUANA MYTHS
    by Paul Hager
    Chair, ICLU Drug Task Force

    1. Marijuana causes brain damage

    The most celebrated study that claims to show brain damage is
    the rhesus monkey study of Dr. Robert Heath, done in the late
    1970s. This study was reviewed by a distinguished panel of
    scientists sponsored by the Institute of Medicine and the National
    Academy of Sciences. Their results were published under the title,
    Marijuana and Health in 1982. Heath's work was sharply criticized
    for its insufficient sample size (only four monkeys), its failure
    to control experimental bias, and the misidentification of normal
    monkey brain structure as "damaged". Actual studies of human
    populations of marijuana users have shown no evidence of brain
    damage. For example, two studies from 1977, published in the
    Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) showed no
    evidence of brain damage in heavy users of marijuana. That same
    year, the American Medical Association (AMA) officially came out in
    favor of decriminalizing marijuana. That's not the sort of thing
    you'd expect if the AMA thought marijuana damaged the brain.

    2. Marijuana damages the reproductive system

    This claim is based chiefly on the work of Dr. Gabriel Nahas,
    who experimented with tissue (cells) isolated in petri dishes, and
    the work of researchers who dosed animals with near-lethal amounts
    of cannabinoids (i.e., the intoxicating part of marijuana). Nahas'
    generalizations from his petri dishes to human beings have been
    rejected by the scientific community as being invalid. In the case
    of the animal experiments, the animals that survived their ordeal
    returned to normal within 30 days of the end of the experiment.
    Studies of actual human populations have failed to demonstrate that
    marijuana adversely affects the reproductive system.

    3. Marijuana is a "gateway" drug -- it leads to hard drugs

    This is one of the more persistent myths. A real world
    example of what happens when marijuana is readily available can be
    found in Holland. The Dutch partially legalized marijuana in the
    1970s. Since then, hard drug use -- heroin and cocaine -- have
    DECLINED substantially. If marijuana really were a gateway drug,
    one would have expected use of hard drugs to have gone up, not
    down. This apparent "negative gateway" effect has also been
    observed in the United States. Studies done in the early 1970s
    showed a negative correlation between use of marijuana and use of
    alcohol. A 1993 Rand Corporation study that compared drug use in
    states that had decriminalized marijuana versus those that had not,
    found that where marijuana was more available -- the states that
    had decriminalized -- hard drug abuse as measured by emergency room
    episodes decreased. In short, what science and actual experience
    tell us is that marijuana tends to substitute for the much more
    dangerous hard drugs like alcohol, cocaine, and heroin.


    4. Marijuana suppresses the immune system

    Like the studies claiming to show damage to the reproductive
    system, this myth is based on studies where animals were given
    extremely high -- in many cases, near-lethal -- doses of
    cannabinoids. These results have never been duplicated in human
    beings. Interestingly, two studies done in 1978 and one done in
    1988 showed that hashish and marijuana may have actually stimulated
    the immune system in the people studied.

    5. Marijuana is much more dangerous than tobacco

    Smoked marijuana contains about the same amount of carcinogens
    as does an equivalent amount of tobacco. It should be remembered,
    however, that a heavy tobacco smoker consumes much more tobacco
    than a heavy marijuana smoker consumes marijuana. This is because
    smoked tobacco, with a 90% addiction rate, is the most addictive of
    all drugs while marijuana is less addictive than caffeine. Two
    other factors are important. The first is that paraphernalia laws
    directed against marijuana users make it difficult to smoke safely.
    These laws make water pipes and bongs, which filter some of the
    carcinogens out of the smoke, illegal and, hence, unavailable. The
    second is that, if marijuana were legal, it would be more
    economical to have cannabis drinks like bhang (a traditional drink
    in the Middle East) or tea which are totally non-carcinogenic.
    This is in stark contrast with "smokeless" tobacco products like
    snuff which can cause cancer of the mouth and throat. When all of
    these facts are taken together, it can be clearly seen that the
    reverse is true: marijuana is much SAFER than tobacco.

    6. Legal marijuana would cause carnage on the highways

    Although marijuana, when used to intoxication, does impair
    performance in a manner similar to alcohol, actual studies of the
    effect of marijuana on the automobile accident rate suggest that it
    poses LESS of a hazard than alcohol. When a random sample of fatal
    accident victims was studied, it was initially found that marijuana
    was associated with RELATIVELY as many accidents as alcohol. In
    other words, the number of accident victims intoxicated on
    marijuana relative to the number of marijuana users in society gave
    a ratio similar to that for accident victims intoxicated on alcohol
    relative to the total number of alcohol users. However, a closer
    examination of the victims revealed that around 85% of the people
    intoxicated on marijuana WERE ALSO INTOXICATED ON ALCOHOL. For
    people only intoxicated on marijuana, the rate was much lower than
    for alcohol alone. This finding has been supported by other
    research using completely different methods. For example, an
    economic analysis of the effects of decriminalization on marijuana
    usage found that states that had reduced penalties for marijuana
    possession experienced a rise in marijuana use and a decline in
    alcohol use with the result that fatal highway accidents decreased.
    This would suggest that, far from causing "carnage", legal
    marijuana might actually save lives.

    7. Marijuana "flattens" human brainwaves

    This is an out-and-out lie perpetrated by the Partnership for
    a Drug-Free America. A few years ago, they ran a TV ad that
    purported to show, first, a normal human brainwave, and second, a
    flat brainwave from a 14-year-old "on marijuana". When researchers
    called up the TV networks to complain about this commercial, the
    Partnership had to pull it from the air. It seems that the
    Partnership faked the flat "marijuana brainwave". In reality,
    marijuana has the effect of slightly INCREASING alpha wave
    activity. Alpha waves are associated with meditative and relaxed
    states which are, in turn, often associated with human creativity.

    8. Marijuana is more potent today than in the past

    This myth is the result of bad data. The researchers who made
    the claim of increased potency used as their baseline the THC
    content of marijuana seized by police in the early 1970s. Poor
    storage of this marijuana in un-air conditioned evidence rooms
    caused it to deteriorate and decline in potency before any chemical
    assay was performed. Contemporaneous, independent assays of
    unseized "street" marijuana from the early 1970s showed a potency
    equivalent to that of modern "street" marijuana. Actually, the
    most potent form of this drug that was generally available was sold
    legally in the 1920s and 1930s by the pharmaceutical company
    Smith-Klein under the name, "American Cannabis".

    9. Marijuana impairs short-term memory

    This is true but misleading. Any impairment of short-term
    memory disappears when one is no longer under the influence of
    marijuana. Often, the short-term memory effect is paired with a
    reference to Dr. Heath's poor rhesus monkeys to imply that the
    condition is permanent.

    10. Marijuana lingers in the body like DDT

    This is also true but misleading. Cannabinoids are fat
    soluble as are innumerable nutrients and, yes, some poisons like
    DDT. For example, the essential nutrient, Vitamin A, is fat
    soluble but one never hears people who favor marijuana prohibition
    making this comparison.

    11. There are over a thousand chemicals in marijuana smoke

    Again, true but misleading. The 31 August 1990 issue of the
    magazine Science notes that of the over 800 volatile chemicals
    present in roasted COFFEE, only 21 have actually been tested on
    animals and 16 of these cause cancer in rodents. Yet, coffee
    remains legal and is generally considered fairly safe.

    12. No one has ever died of a marijuana overdose

    This is true. It was put in to see if you are paying
    attention. Animal tests have revealed that extremely high doses of
    cannabinoids are needed to have lethal effect. This has led
    scientists to conclude that the ratio of the amount of cannabinoids
    necessary to get a person intoxicated (i.e., stoned) relative to
    the amount necessary to kill them is 1 to 40,000. In other words,
    to overdose, you would have to consume 40,000 times as much
    marijuana as you needed to get stoned. In contrast, the ratio for
    alcohol varies between 1 to 4 and 1 to 10. It is easy to see how
    upwards of 5000 people die from alcohol overdoses every year and no
    one EVER dies of marijuana overdoses.

    WHAT IS THE ICLU DRUG TASK FORCE?

    The Indiana Civil Liberties Union (ICLU) Drug Task Force is
    involved in education and lobbying efforts directed toward
    reforming drug policy. Specifically, we support ACLU Policy
    Statement number 210 which calls for the legalization of marijuana.
    We also support an end to the drug war. In its place, we favor
    "harm reduction" strategies which treat drug abuse as what it is --
    a medical problem -- rather than a criminal justice problem.

    The Drug Task Force also works to end urine and hair testing
    of workers by private industry. These kinds of tests violate
    worker privacy to no good purpose because they detect past use of
    certain drugs (mostly marijuana) while ignoring others (e.g., LSD)
    and cannot detect current impairment. In situations where public
    and worker safety is a legitimate concern, we advocate impairment
    testing devices which reliably detect degradation of performance
    without infringing upon worker privacy.

    For more information about the activities of the Drug Task
    Force, call the ICLU at (317) 635-4059 or call Paul Hager at (812)
    333-1384 or e-mail to [email protected] on the InterNet.

    SOURCES

    1) Marijuana and Health, Institute of Medicine, National Academy
    of Sciences, 1982. Note: the Committee on Substance Abuse and
    Habitual Behavior of the "Marijuana and Health" study had its
    part of the final report suppressed when it reviewed the
    evidence and recommended that possession of small amounts of
    marijuana should no longer be a crime (TIME magazine, July 19,
    1982). The two JAMA studies are: Co, B.T., Goodwin, D.W.,
    Gado, M., Mikhael, M., and Hill, S.Y.: "Absence of cerebral
    atrophy in chronic cannabis users", JAMA, 237:1229-1230, 1977;
    and, Kuehnle, J., Mendelson, J.H., Davis, K.R., and New,
    P.F.J.: "Computed tomographic examination of heavy marijuana
    smokers", JAMA, 237:1231-1232, 1977.

    2) See Marijuana and Health, ibid., for information on this
    research. See also, Marijuana Reconsidered (1978) by Dr.
    Lester Grinspoon.

    3) The Dutch experience is written up in "The Economics of
    Legalizing Drugs", by Richard J. Dennis, The Atlantic Monthly,
    Vol 266, No. 5, Nov 1990, p. 130. See "A Comparison of
    Marijuana Users and Non-users" by Norman Zinberg and Andrew
    Weil (1971) for the negative correlation between use of
    marijuana and use of alcohol. The 1993 Rand Corporation study
    is "The Effect of Marijuana Decriminalization on Hospital
    Emergency Room Episodes: 1975 - 1978" by Karyn E. Model.

    4) See a review of studies and their methodology in "Marijuana
    and Immunity", Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, Vol 20(1),
    Jan-Mar 1988. Studies showing stimulation of the immune
    system: Kaklamani, et al., "Hashish smoking and T-
    lymphocytes", 1978; Kalofoutis et al., "The significance of
    lymphocyte lipid changes after smoking hashish", 1978. The
    1988 study: Wallace, J.M., Tashkin, D.P., Oishi, J.S.,
    Barbers, R.G., "Peripheral Blood Lymphocyte Subpopulations and
    Mitogen Responsiveness in Tobacco and Marijuana Smokers",
    1988, Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, ibid.

    5) The 90% figure comes from Health Consequences of Smoking:
    Nicotine Addiction, Surgeon General's Report, 1988. In Health
    magazine in an article entitled, "Hooked, Not Hooked" by
    Deborah Franklin (pp. 39-52), compares the addictives of
    various drugs and ranks marijuana below coffeine. For current
    information on cannabis drinks see Working Men and Ganja:
    Marijuana Use in Rural Jamaica by M. C. Dreher, Institute for
    the Study of Human Issues, 1982, ISBN 0-89727-025-8. For
    information on cannabis and actual cancer risk, see Marijuana
    and Health, ibid.

    6) For a survey of studies relating to cannabis and highway
    accidents see "Marijuana, Driving and Accident Safety", by
    Dale Gieringer, Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, ibid. The
    effect of decriminalization on highway accidents is analyzed
    in "Do Youths Substitute Alcohol and Marijuana? Some
    Econometric Evidence" by Frank J. Chaloupka and Adit
    Laixuthai, Nov. 1992, University of Illinois at Chicago.

    7) For information about the Partnership ad, see Jack Herer's
    book, The Emperor Wears No Clothes, 1990, p. 74. See also
    "Hard Sell in the Drug War", The Nation, March 9, 1992, by
    Cynthia Cotts, which reveals that the Partnership receives a
    large percentage of its advertizing budget from alcohol,
    tobacco, and pharmaceutical companies and is thus disposed
    toward exaggerating the risks of marijuana while downplaying
    the risks of legal drugs. For information on memory and the
    alpha brainwave enhancement effect, see "Marijuana, Memory,
    and Perception", by R. L. Dornbush, M.D., M. Fink, M.D., and
    A. M. Freedman, M.D., presented at the 124th annual meeting of
    the American Psychiatric Association, May 3-7, 1971.

    8) See "Cannabis 1988, Old Drug New Dangers, The Potency
    Question" by Tod H Mikuriya, M.D. and Michael Aldrich, Ph.D.,
    Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, ibid.

    9) See Marijuana and Health, ibid. Also see "Marijuana, Memory,
    and Perception", ibid.

    10) The fat solubility of cannabinoids and certain vitamins is
    well known. See Marijuana and Health, ibid. For some
    information on vitamin A, see "The A Team" in Scientific
    American, Vol 264, No. 2, February 1991, p. 16.

    11) See "Too Many Rodent Carcinogens: Mitogenesis Increases
    Mutagenesis", Bruce N. Ames and Lois Swirsky Gold, Science,
    Vol 249, 31 August 1990, p. 971.

    12) Cannabis and alcohol toxicity is compared in Marijuana
    Reconsidered, ibid., p. 227. Yearly alcohol overdoses was
    taken from "Drug Prohibition in the United States: Costs,
    Consequences, and Alternatives" by Ethan A. Nadelmann,
    Science, Vol 245, 1 September 1989, p. 943.
    --
    paul hager [email protected]

    "The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason."
    -- Thomas Paine, _The Age of Reason_



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    I think it would be easier to list what it doesn't do

    plus they say everything is bad for you nowadays....
    Single handedly destroying the NHS from the inside

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    Quote Originally Posted by gemby!
    I think it would be easier to list what it doesn't do

    plus they say everything is bad for you nowadays....

    It is a lst of what it doesn't do.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by 15%

    OMG, zeddy............

    You turn into one of those parents to become, who relates everything to babies????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yogi
    It is a lst of what it doesn't do.............
    Thats what you do when you put too much writing on a page, I got confused
    Single handedly destroying the NHS from the inside

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    Quote Originally Posted by gemby!
    Thats what you do when you put too much writing on a page, I got confused

    Confused, huh???

    Sure those cakes you just had weren't a little spacy???



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    Quote Originally Posted by Yogi
    OMG, zeddy............

    You turn into one of those parents to become, who relates everything to babies????

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    Quote Originally Posted by 15%
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