Do you own a gun?

**JPaul** · 04-09-2005, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Busyman

Well you're a panzy-ass wimp that would beg like a bitch rather than protect your family.

I was waiting for your bullshit behind my post.

I collected those items over a number of years (17) since I've studied martial arts since childhood.

Almost all of them (besides the guns and mace) aren't even located at my house (they are in storage) yet I own them.

You take little tidbits and make horrid assumptions. It seems like I can do the same about you.

Some protector...no father figure growing up?

Oh the big bad man called me a pansy wimp who can't protect his family.

Now tell me about the drive past shooting you were involved in, that's a good one.

**GepperRankins** · 04-09-2005, 03:09 PM

putting the burglar in a kill or be killed situation is obviously safer for you and your family

**vidcc** · 04-09-2005, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by MCHeshPants420

The gangland bit wasn't your original point, it is a problem but my point to you (and a genuine objection to the wording of your post) was that shooting rampages don't happen "every now and then" that indicates a greater frequency than the actual truth tells. Hungerford happened 18 years ago for instance and Dunblane was nearly 10 years ago...

I'm sure if I did some research I could find closer spaced instances but I don't feel it should be needed.

I don't agree that there is a timeset for "every now and then" either.

I am not objecting to posts making the USA out to be a "warzone" because I accept that we have a real problem even though it is nowhere near as bad as those outside are making out.
I also made the point that the Uk has a far lesser problem because it does have a "more ideal" attitude to guns.

I feel that your need to raise the point after I made further posting is showing the same indignancy that is being criticised when Americans defend their own views, which is a shame as I appreciate the view from your side more than the US view.
If we are going to have a balanced debate we need all the facts.
I wasn't pointing critical fingers in the post, just adding something which has been sadly ignored so far. That being that even with the right attitude tradegy happens

If it has been posted before I appologise, I have been otherwise occupied the last few days and haven't read the entire thread.

Edit: i see you posted before i got this reply out. It is a bit busy at vidcc's home at the mo and took me a long time to write the post in between all the interuptions some of it may seem un-needed now

**{I}{K}{E}** · 04-09-2005, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Busyman

Nevertheless we will have more murders since there is way more population.

Have you seen Bowling for Columbine? if not watch it

There are so many murders in the US because people are allowed to own a gun. It's not about how many people live in a country. Check China/Asia there are much more people there and the number of murders yearly is way lower compared with the US. and it's not only Asia, I bet the total number of murders in Europe yearly is sooooooo much lower then the total in the US and that's mainly because we are NOT allowed to own a gun.

**GepperRankins** · 04-09-2005, 03:18 PM

i thought the verdict from bowling for columbine was that it was the media running scare stories. he went to canada where they have similar laws there but the main story on their evening news was about speed bumps.

**JPaul** · 04-09-2005, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by GepperRankins

putting the burglar in a kill or be killed situation is obviously safer for you and your family

Maybe that's it.

Our burglars tend not to have guns, because we don't have them. So less people killing each other.

**enoughfakefiles** · 04-09-2005, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by JPaul

Maybe that's it.

Our burglars tend not to have guns, because we don't have them. So less people killing each other.

Good point.If burgulars rob you when you are out of the house why do they need a gun.????

**Busyman** · 04-09-2005, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by {I}{K}{E}

Have you seen Bowling for Columbine? if not watch it

There are so many murders in the US because people are allowed to own a gun. It's not about how many people live in a country. Check China/Asia there are much more people there and the number of murders yearly is way lower compared with the US. and it's not only Asia, I bet the total number of murders in Europe yearly is sooooooo much lower then the total in the US and that's mainly because we are NOT allowed to own a gun.

You haven't read the thread. (obvious because of your PM to me)

I haven't seen all of BFC.

There is also a difference in law in China where you may have to prove yourself innocent.

You are proving my point once again that the dynamic of different countries aren't just whether they have guns or not.

**Busyman** · 04-09-2005, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by JPaul

Oh the big bad man called me a pansy wimp who can't protect his family.

Now tell me about the drive past shooting you were involved in, that's a good one.

You called me a mentalist. At least I was correct.

Drive past shooting?