Do you own a gun?

**JPaul** · 04-09-2005, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Busyman

You called me a mentalist. At least I was correct.

Drive past shooting?

Loads of people called you a mentalist.

I think most people can understand why a person would want a gun. They may not agree with it but they can understand why, in a country which has a gun culture they think they also need one.

However to have 6, secreted around your home, then telling us you had all of these other weapons just seems a bit, well mental.

Tell me, did you have all of these weapons before the family came along, or did you just go out and buy them when you had the family to protect.

**GepperRankins** · 04-09-2005, 05:47 PM

no-ones provoking me so i'm just gonna say this now.

this my theory anyway

unarmed homeowner vs unarmed intruder

homeowner simply shows themself. there will either be a fight till one party is subdued, or most likely the burglar will run away and try somewhere else. burglars just want an easy life, otherwise they wouldn't make a life stealing shit

armed homeowner vs unarmed intruder

same as above but burglar will be even more likely to run away.

unarmed homeowner vs armed intruder

homeowner cowers and does whatever the intruder wants. it's not very dignified but the homeowner will live to fight another day.

armed homeowner vs armed intruder

both will have the mentality of being in charge. after exchanging bluffs someone will call it. there is a good chance that either or both the intruder and homeowner will be killed or seriously injured.

i dont have any funny letters on the end of my name and ive never tried to get them but i reckon thats pretty much what happens

**Snee** · 04-09-2005, 06:07 PM

Now see, I know where you went wrong, that's just how you'd look at it if you had common sense.

A realist knows that they are all out to kill him.

**GepperRankins** · 04-09-2005, 06:13 PM

i think post 490 scared busy off.

sorry guys, i dont think this is gonna reach 1000

**hobbes** · 04-09-2005, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Busyman

Sorry hobbes that ain't the answer.

I love folks who point to stats as an answer.

Correlation is not cause and effect.

I want to see number of homicides in those same countries.
I also want to see how those countries are run. What other influences are there?

We need tighter gun laws here. Period.

?

Comparative homicide rates in English-speaking developed countries

This is a rather sobering graph. Wouldn't it be nice to eliminate that purple part, then we would be more in line with other developed English speaking countries.

Notice for England and Wales it is represented by that little black line which is almost imperceptable.

People with ready access to guns are facilitated in their effort to kill people. The huge problem I see is that people carrying guns escalate any encounter. In the good old days you got punched, now you get shot.

Often times people get shot because the police think you are going for a gun and act proactively.

It's just logical. Obviously no 2 countries are the same, each has it's own cultural dynamic, but it may be time to get rid of handguns guns and make possession of such a very serious crime. It is definitely time to start considering it.

**Busyman** · 04-09-2005, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by hobbes

Comparative homicide rates in English-speaking developed countries

This is a rather sobering graph. Wouldn't it be nice to eliminate that purple part, then we would be more in line with other developed English speaking countries.

Notice for England and Wales it is represented by that little black line which is almost imperceptable.

People with ready access to guns are facilitated in their effort to kill people. The huge problem I see is that people carrying guns escalate any encounter. In the good old days you got punched, now you get shot.

Often times people get shot because the police think you are going for a gun and act proactively.

It's just logical. It may be time to get rid of handguns guns and make possession of such a very serious crime. It is definitely time to start considering it.

Why doesn't this work in DC where handguns have been illegal for some time now?
Also our country has different laws regarding crime in general. The UK is an island where as we are not.
Why would getting rid of guns be the answer but tightening are seriously relaxed gun laws wouldn't be?

btw in the good old days....you did get shot.

**Busyman** · 04-09-2005, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by SnnY

Now see, I know where you went wrong, that's just how you'd look at it if you had common sense.

A realist knows that they are all out to kill him.

A realist knows they can kill.

Fuck your common sense seeing that you don't live here. Mine goes past DisneyLand.

**Snee** · 04-09-2005, 06:45 PM

Some of them can probably sing showtunes as well

**Busyman** · 04-09-2005, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by GepperRankins

he means drive by, you know that.

he's talking about a story you made up. i can barely remember the details either but you did say it

I've never done a drive-by so wtf are you talking about?

The only thing related to a car and a gun that's happened to me was a stray bullet on Easter Sunday when I had my Toyota.

This drive by stuff is bullshit.