Do you own a gun?

[RPerry]

Seriously, there are very, very few accidental shooting here. I wish the lot of you could come here and teach defensive driving, because thats and important issue in my community. I can promise you this, On the day I don't come home, it will be because somebody caused an accident with their car, not because I was shot

[Snee]

Dunno' where to draw the line between what's accidental and what's not.

"I was cleaning my gun and shot my nuts off", is probably accidental any way look at it. Unless it's evolution, or divine providence.

But what do you call "I pointed my gun at the burglar to scare him, and I accidentally shot his face off"?

[RPerry]

But what do you call "I pointed my gun at the burglar to scare him, and I accidentally shot his face off"?

Justice

[GepperRankins]

whether its accidental or not killing someone with a gun is too easy. i agree with you on driving though, here in the UK it's rediculous. i reckon it's cos it's so easy to get a license however that makes no difference to gun deaths

[Snee]

Justice

Oh, all right ( )

[vidcc]

Wh said it was non - news ? They have a facination with sex crimes here, and you can bet when one happens, its reported. on the flip-side, I saw no less than 12 Sheriffs cruisers and a helicopter just to the south of the plant I work in Friday night, not one word on the news.

The free doughnut event was advertised enough............ surely

btw guys, after the guns, do we get rid of the knives too ?

Then baseball bats, cars, stones.......

I don't really give any weight to the direction of that point, although i was waiting for it to be raised.

It is too late to eliminate our gun problem. No law will ever stop criminal use of guns. But we can do something about the "accidental" side.

[vidcc]

Seriously, there are very, very few accidental shooting here. I wish the lot of you could come here and teach defensive driving, because thats and important issue in my community. I can promise you this, On the day I don't come home, it will be because somebody caused an accident with their car, not because I was shot

I agree with you on that but it's a different issue and we can't trade one issue by saying another is worse.

[RPerry]

I agree with you on that but it's a different issue and we can't trade one issue by saying another is worse.

I admire your view on guns, I can only say I don't agree. Florida is a right to carry state ( you must have a clean record, and go through a firearms class) and it does seem to curve some of the problems other states have. Its not perfect, what ever is ?

[vidcc]

. Florida is a right to carry state ( you must have a clean record, and go through a firearms class)

This is close to what I would like to see, I would like zero guns but lets be realistic. I don't see any way of banning guns but I would like to see tougher standards and enforcement of those standards.
I can't agree with carrying guns in public, but I do give the idea of having them in ones home if one wishes, assuming certain safety standards are met.


I would like not only background checks but also compulsory training to at least the minimum law enforcement standard. I would like to see attitude standards as part of it as well. A cadet would be weeded out and expelled if he didn't have the right attitude and I would like that to apply in the training and assessment procedure.
If groups like the NRA truly believe that guns don't kill people, people kill people they would support such sensible training for these deadly items.

[Busyman]

Yes, well done, hooray for you. But again, the sign isn't a gun. Whether you have a sign or an alarm or neither, isn't the issue.

Well you are not the only one posting. Apparently me having an alarm or privacy fence is being "in the grip of oppression".

Well done on that too, however, this has no bearing on how you'll handle the gun when you are about to use it against a burglar.

When you drive what's to say you aren't shit at handling a car (and put more people in danger than me and my gun that take out so sparingly). You probably drive ten time more often than I use my gun.
You have nunch-chuckas. What's to say you aren't shit at that too and bust yourself in the eye. You are fishing once again.

Gun lock or not, burglars may still pick a time when you are drunk, or something else. Which means that you may still shoot yourself in the foot when the times comes.

I don't get drunk at home. Either way, fishing expedition.

So you've hung around with a few burglars Again, hooray for you. however, this doesn't mean that you can say with absolute certainty that a majority of all burglars in the US are bound to act in a certain manner.

No shit.

If one of your old pals decides to break into your home, I guess you are safe though.

...but they aren't.

I've been wondering about these statements about them being bad shots, I mean, ok if your house is huge and there's a bit of distance between you, but it will probably be a matter of who shoots first in an average size home. It ain't hard hitting someone six feet away, or something similar.

Fishing again. This is not the movies. You don't go investigating. When having a gun it's not always wise to shoot. Example..

At work I missed being caught up in a bank robbery by 10 minutes (I was talking to a female I knew and she held me up). The guard from the armored truck went in but a gentleman walked in behind him with flower box in his hand. The robber pulled out a shotgun and the guard drew his weapon and shot the robber. You would think that was heroic but it wasn't whole story. Some of the guard's shot missed the robber and went clear across McPherson Square and into a mult tenant building a block away. McPherson Square is basically a park in the middle of downtown DC and it's one full square block. People go there to feed pigeons, read a book, bums beg for money (or sleep), etc. Luckily no one was killed.
The robber put many lives in danger and by his own, training should have given up the money. However....you can't say that the robber would not have blown away the guard anyway. He might have very saved his own skin.

Have you got any statistics at all to prove that your hypothetical burglars are more likely than not to be going to go into your house with the intention of killing you?

No do you? Gotta point? I have a gun for just in case shit and not to blow away any person I can.

If someone really wanted to kill you, your gun would probably not be an issue anyway. They'd get you when you were sleeping or something.

No shit. They could get me as I walk out my front door. Again, gotta point?

While I don't live in the UK, my situation is very similar. We just don't have many guns in this country, period. Nor is our crime-rate as high, why this is so I don't know. What I can say is that you probably aren't the only one to feel safer with a gun, it's bound to lend a lot of people some extra confidence, no matter which side of the law they are currently on.

Uh huh. I also would safer in combat with a tank versus a jeep. Gotta point?

In most cases, and this is according to unbiased statistics, burglaries in my part of the world take place when the victim isn't at home. If I did have a gun in my home it might well be part of what was stolen while I wasn't at home. A burglar is also more likely than not to flee the site if I do get home while he or she is still there. Normal, sane people aren't out to kill other people, and they don't desire confrontation if they can avoid it. Violence only means an extended period in prison if you get caught.

Stating the obvious.....

We get alarms just as you do, and we sometimes put up signs, but again, this has nothing to do with owning a gun.

Then the alarm post wasn't for you or I would have quoted just you or did a @SnnY shit doohicky.

I fail to see how common sense can be proclaimed to be ill-concieved, what you are stating sounds more like belief and faith than facts, I've yet to see anyone showing me any concrete proof of the benefits of everyone having guns readily available.

I wouldn't want everyone having guns readily available. That's part of the problem. You've got fathers that don't lock their shit up, and I'm not talking about they forgot, I'm talking about not locking it up and allowing their sons to play them.

I'm far less likely to get killed here than over there, this is a fact, based on numbers.

No shit....we have a higher crime rate.
The problem with many of you guys conclusions is those numbers is numbers is that correlation does not equal cause and effect.

You can't necessarily group me, RP, j2, and buju in with criminals (or each other). I wouldn't bring my guns to my new house until I had gun locks (4 year-old now present). Someone else might have done it anyway but I happen to be paranoid about a child dying over some "I forgot" bullshit.