Do you own a gun?

**RPerry** · 04-09-2005, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Busyman

Damn!!! When I hear about shit like that it shows me that there is something wrong with society, child rearing, whateverthefuck.

The world is getting worse.

I notice how folk focus on Columbine yet we've had our gun laws for years before that shooting incident.

Agreed. This is alot of what I was saying with my post the other day. Take away the guns, add other problems. Things have got to start in the home and schools, and parents need to be involved with both. It won't stop all of the problems, but I'm sure it will help.

**vidcc** · 04-09-2005, 09:03 PM

I've see a lot of houses that have iron bars on the windows and iron security doors which make it impossible for an intruder to gain access without some pretty heavy tools, even then the occupants would be alerted by the noise and the resulting 911 would get the law enforcers on the scene before the would be intruder had chance to gain access. So there is an alternative to protect the occupants. Heck if I lived in an area that bad I would install a panic room rather than a gun, but then I am fortunate to be able to choose where I live and would choose not to live anywhere I would need to take any such action.

It could be argued that if one has methods that effectively prohibit access then to not use them but instead hold deadly weapon for protection that one is somehow "spoiling for a fight"

**RPerry** · 04-09-2005, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by SnnY

@rob: No I wouldn't, however, according to the article I found, they believed that one of the victims had stolen the item(s), and that was the reason they had for attacking.

It's mad as hell, but it sounds like they armed themselves to protect/retrieve their property.

source

Worked through google but the link may not work from here.

If you read that closely, believed stole items he left

He left the items when he was asked to leave, the items were not stolen, that was his excuse for his actions, but remember, that case is some 9 months old,
and occured in Central Florida where I live, so I see bits on the news frequently

**RPerry** · 04-09-2005, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by vidcc

I've see a lot of houses that have iron bars on the windows and iron security doors which make it impossible for an intruder to gain access without some pretty heavy tools, even then the occupants would be alerted by the noise and the resulting 911 would get the law enforcers on the scene before the would be intruder had chance to gain access. So there is an alternative to protect the occupants. Heck if I lived in an area that bad I would install a panic room rather than a gun, but then I am fortunate to be able to choose where I live and would choose not to live anywhere I would need to take any such action.

It could be argued that if one has methods that effectively prohibit access then to not use them but instead hold deadly weapon for protection that one is somehow "spoiling for a fight"

The story I posted above is not in a bad area, this is a typical story from anytown, USA. It just happens to be close enough to where I live that it made the top story

**Snee** · 04-09-2005, 09:08 PM

oic

**RPerry** · 04-09-2005, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by SnnY

Had stolen items he (the attacker, is how I read it) had left in his grandmother's vacant house.

?

That's what the cops thought was the reason.

Snny, please read that article more carefully. he said left in her grandmothers vacant house The house was not vacant, it was her ( Erin's ) grandparents vacation house. The guys had broken in thinking nobody would be there, and when someone did appear and they were asked to leave, the rest of the story happened within a couple days

**Snee** · 04-09-2005, 09:14 PM

d'oh

You are right.

It still isn't anything like a regular burglary though.

Bunch of armed psychos in a death squad of sorts.

**Busyman** · 04-09-2005, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by RPerry

Agreed. This is alot of what I was saying with my post the other day. Take away the guns, add other problems. Things have got to start in the home and schools, and parents need to be involved with both. It won't stop all of the problems, but I'm sure it will help.

Even in hobbes graph, we lead in non-firearm homicides (by a smaller margin nevertheless)

**GepperRankins** · 04-09-2005, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by RPerry

Agreed. This is alot of what I was saying with my post the other day. Take away the guns, add other problems. Things have got to start in the home and schools, and parents need to be involved with both. It won't stop all of the problems, but I'm sure it will help.

guns are a major problem that wouldn't just be replaced if they were outlawed. look at the graph. i'm sure some of the shooting victims wouldn't have died had they been beaten up rather than just shot.