Do you own a gun?

[GepperRankins]

As a victim, who knows what's going to be a regular burglary?

you risk it. i'd rather risk it over hightening the risk involved in a regular burglary

[vidcc]

The story I posted above is not in a bad area, this is a typical story from anytown, USA. It just happens to be close enough to where I live that it made the top story

I remember it from the news (if it's the same story)

I was commenting on the whole "but this is America not the Uk" theme. Given any bad thing happening we often see people being interviewed on the news saying things like "you just don't expect this sort of thing to happen here" so while I agree that NO place is safe I am referring to living in a place where such things as bars and guns would be considered "prudent" in daily life...if I was walking in Bagdad's streets I would wear body armour just to be prudent...if I took the same precaution here I would be silly... It's just about cost assessment if that makes sense.

[Snee]

Errm dave, they used pipes and baseball bats.



But rob, while a gun might have done some difference, there's no guarantee it had done anything for the victims, this was a whole gang of people attacking them. This was also a planned attack quite possibly with possible defensive measures in mind, it's quite odd that the police didn't do anything before it happened, judging by the report.

Big mistake there.

This is exceptional even for your country I think, judging by the media interest.


@busy: This may have been one of them situations we talked about where nothing would have saved the victims.

And the odds of it happening to you are incredibly small.

[Busyman]

you risk it. i'd rather risk it over hightening the risk involved in a regular burglary

My risk equals I stay alive. Your risk equals whatever the burglar decides to do with you.

As I said, in my house a burglar has plenty of chances to leave or not step foot in the house in the first place.

My gun ownership is otherwise irrelevent.

[Snee]

My risk equals I stay alive. Your risk equals whatever the burglar decides to do with you.

We already went through this once.

Now dave's gonna' say something along the lines of "unless pointing the gun at someone is what makes them kill you when they'd otherwise left you alone".

[Busyman]

Errm dave, they used pipes and baseball bats.



But rob, while a gun might have done some difference, there's no guarantee it had done anything for the victims, this was a whole gang of people attacking them. This was also a planned attack quite possibly with possible defensive measures in mind, it's quite odd that the police didn't do anything before it happened, judging by the report.

Big mistake there.

This is exceptional even for your country I think, judging by the media interest.


@busy: This may have been one of them situations we talked about where nothing would have saved the victims.

And the odds of it happening to you are incredibly small.

Agreed.

They also had no weapon to do shit with since it was nonexistent.

I would try my best to scamper to 1 of 6. I still may not make it.

Gotta try though.

[RPerry]

guns are a major problem that wouldn't just be replaced if they were outlawed. look at the graph. i'm sure some of the shooting victims wouldn't have died had they been beaten up rather than just shot.

the one thing that graph doesn't show is who the killer/victim is. You do realize that most of the firearm problem is gang and/or drug related ?

[Busyman]

We already went through this once.

Now dave's gonna' say something along the lines of "unless pointing the gun at someone is what makes them kill you when they'd otherwise left you alone".

If they come through my bedroom door they are toast.

I don't want it to be even close.

(I know what your saying about the baseball bats thingie but I treat intruders like they are, I don't know..ummmmm...DANGEROUS).

[GepperRankins]

My risk equals I stay alive. Your risk equals whatever the burglar decides to do with you.

As I said, in my house a burglar has plenty of chances to leave or not step foot in the house in the first place.

My gun ownership is otherwise irrelevent.

you provoke a shootout. theres no risk for me unless its just an armed crazy person who wants to kill me. theres less of them than armed burglars i reckon, so you're more likely to die.

Errm dave, they used pipes and baseball bats.

yeah i know. i'm just saying it doesn't mean all people who would use a gun to kill someone would use a pipe or baseball bat if they couldn't get a gun

[Busyman]

the one thing that graph doesn't show is who the killer/victim is. You do realize that most of the firearm problem is gang and/or drug related ?

But RP.....

[sarcasm]If we outlawed guns, they wouldn't have them.....especially in America. [/sarcasm]