Do you own a gun?

[JPaul]

No.

Thanks, I had thought it was a constitutional right.

[Busyman]

Thanks, I had thought it was a constitutional right.

You thought correct.

[JPaul]

You thought correct.

That's a relief.

[manker]

It just occurred to me that while several of you, and SnnY in particular, are so enamored of the intelligence of the criminal element you view them as omnipotent in "battle", you won't grant their intelligence is sufficient to opt out of robbing me in the face of my admonition over the efficacy of such an attempt.

Curious, eh?

If you read the replies then you'll see that far from generalising all criminals to be masterminds, people that have put counter points to your assertions have actually been careful to qualify their statements. The point being that if a criminal, indeed one that could easily outwit you, decided to break into your home despite your 'admonation' (that word is used in jest, I take it) then you're probably fucked all ends up because of your precautions.

I have outlined why at legnth.

Btw, you intimated at being insulted earlier in the week yet the condescension is dripping from your subsequent posts, is it tit-for-tat or do you really think I'm thick.

[DanB]

well regulated militia?

Vigilantes rawk

[Peerzy]

Busyman, would you give up your 6 guns, if you knew for a fact that you would never be attacked in your home?

[Snee]

It just occurred to me that while several of you, and SnnY in particular, are so enamored of the intelligence of the criminal element you view them as omnipotent in "battle", you won't grant their intelligence is sufficient to opt out of robbing me in the face of my admonition over the efficacy of such an attempt.

Curious, eh?

If that's how you read what we wrote, then maybe you need to read it a couple of times more, since I don't think you get it.

No one suggested that they were omnipotent, or even that they were particularily intelligent.

(Except manker, who put forth a different scenario, which also has its merits.)

What we did say, was that intelligence isn't really that big a factor if it comes to a point were you and they are face to face, guns aimed at each other, in your living room.

I daresay their brains have fuck all to do with whether they will hit you or not in such a situation. Why you persist in saying something along the lines of "I'm more intelligent, so therefore my chances of besting them are better" over and over when such a situation is proposed to you, I will never know.

Yes, by buying an alarm you do show that you have the brains to think of at least that. And by doing so you improve your chances of averting burglary

But if they do break in, and it does come to an armed confrontation, I, or rather we, doubt that you will automatically win just because your IQ is higher.


Would you like me to explain it again? 'cos I've only asked twice. Maybe third is the charm.

I can do this condescension-thing too.



And busyman, our criminals aren't pussies enough to need to hide behind guns, I think you got this bit about them being softer a bit backwards.

[Busyman]

If that's how you read what we wrote, then maybe you need to read it a couple of times more, since I don't think you get it.

No one suggested that they were omnipotent, or even that they were particularily intelligent.

What we did say, was that intelligence isn't really that big a factor if it comes to a point were you and they are face to face, guns aimed at each other, in your living room.

I daresay their brains have fuck all to do with whether they will hit you or not in such a situation. Why you persist in saying something along the lines of "I'm more intelligent, so therefore my chances of besting them are better" over and over when such a situation is proposed to you, I will never know.

Yes, by buying an alarm you do show that you have the brains to think of at least that. And by doing so you improve your chances of averting burglary

But if they do break in, and it does come to an armed confrontation, I, or rather we, doubt that you will automatically win just because your IQ is higher.


Would you like me to explain it again? 'cos I've only asked twice. Maybe third is the charm.

I can do this condescension-thing too.



And busyman, our criminals aren't pussies enough to need to hide behind guns, I think you got this bit about them being softer a bit backwards.

You see that's where that street shit comes in.

It's not about being a pussy. It's about making you do what the fuck they want and sometimes flexing.

You can't grasp that this happens whether you armed or not. This where I say that maybe the criminal is a little softer. If you equate it the same then I wish we had pussy ass criminals.

j2 and I are going to think we will best an intruder. Anything's possible regarding us being bested. I'm not going roll over like the stereotypical Frenchman and just say, "Kill me".

I am also not going to make assumptions as to an intruders attentions. I take my life and family's very seriously. To potential intruders approaching my home it will almost always be "STFO" instead of "GTFO".

[Snee]

You see that's where that street shit comes in.

It's not about being a pussy. It's about making you do what the fuck they want and sometimes flexing.

Sure it is, or rather it's about fear, they bring the guns 'cos they don't think they will be able to handle the situation, unless they are armed, and I can't say I find this very irrational either, with so many home owners being armed because they think this is what will save them, why would the criminals be different.

You can't grasp that this happens whether you armed or not. This where I say that maybe the criminal is a little softer. If you equate it the same then I wish we had pussy ass criminals.

You do, you've got criminals with guns robbing little old ladies and whatnot.

If that's not a bunch of sissies I dunno' what is.

j2 and I are going to think we will best an intruder. Anything's possible regarding us being bested. I'm not going roll over like the stereotypical Frenchman and just say, "Kill me".

A higher IQ doesn't mean everything in a gunfight, again, pointing and shooting doesn't require you to have a phd, and I'm not sure about how much your going to the range will affect who hits who either.

Your intelligence shows in what you've done to avoid that situation, not when triggers start being pulled.

I am also not going to make assumptions as to an intruders attentions. I take my life and family's very seriously. To potential intruders approaching my home it will almost always be "STFO" instead of "GTFO".

There is a such a thing as worrying too much, and the amount of precautions you say you have taken certainly points to you being a first rate worrier.

But our mentality is also different. Rather than spending that much on guns I'd have spent money on bars for my windows, or turned my bedroom into a panic room, or something. Before risking that kind of confrontation you are preparing for I'd have done more to avoid it, assuming I was as worried as you about potential homicidal intruders.

If I'd put bars on my window the message would have been the same, but I'd have gone about it in another way. Not being armed is not akin to rolling over on its own.

[Busyman]

Sure it is, or rather it's about fear, they bring the guns 'cos they don't think they will be able to handle the situation, unless they are armed, and I can't say I find this very irrational either, with so many home owners being armed because they think this is what will save them, why would the criminals be different.

Or rather? It's a multitude of things. The difference is I don't mull through their intentions, whether it's protection or flexing.

You do, you've got criminals with guns robbing little old ladies and whatnot.

If that's not a bunch of sissies I dunno' what is.

I'm not going to go through this "your criminals are pussies our criminals aren't pussies" bullshit. They are all fucking criminals and that in itself ain't no badge of honor.

A higher IQ doesn't mean everything in a gunfight, again, pointing and shooting doesn't require you to have a phd, and I'm not sure about how much your going to the range will affect who hits who either.

It sure helps. I have always maintained that I could still get fucked up even with the guns.

Your intelligence shows in what you've done to avoid that situation, not when triggers start being pulled.

I disagree. It starts with your first point and then can end with your last point.

There is a such a thing as worrying too much, and the amount of precautions you say you have taken certainly points to you being a first rate worrier.

I'm not worrying now.

But our mentality is also different. Rather than spending that much on guns I'd have spent money on bars for my windows, or turned my bedroom into a panic room, or something. Before risking that kind of confrontation you are preparing for I'd have done more to avoid it, assuming I was as worried as you about potential homicidal intruders.

If I'd put bars on my window the message would have been the same, but I'd have gone about it in another way. Not being armed is not akin to rolling over on its own.

Show how I'm not trying to avoid it. There are those that would say, "You got a panic room? You are a first rate worrier." Hell I've been criticized for having a privacy fence and alarm system. I don't like bars on my windows. I can go onnnnnn and onnnnnnnnn.
I refuse to not protect myself and my family to the best of my ability under the law because I may piss a criminal off in hindsight.
If the situation warrants ever backing down then I will do so to protect myself and family.