double standard? (USA thread)

[Busyman]

i think the UK thing means not america but, us UKians are particularly snooty about the fact our gun laws work

They work because of the "take away" method.

Prohibit alcohol and I bet that drunk driving deaths would go down and in effect, vehicle related fatalities would go down.

In China, you used to have to prove yourself innocent. They had less crime than we did (and still do).

[GepperRankins]

That's how YOU view it.

If I lived there, I'd want one for protection in my home.

you wouldn't. thats the point.

over here we aren't scared of our own shadows, we don't feel we need guns to protect ourselves

[GepperRankins]

They work because of the "take away" method.

Prohibit alcohol and I bet that drunk driving deaths would go down and in effect, vehicle related fatalities would go down.

In China, you used to have to prove yourself innocent. They had less crime than we did (and still do).

no shit sherlock!?

[Busyman]

you wouldn't. thats the point.

over here we aren't scared of our own shadows, we don't feel we need guns to protect ourselves

That's what's weird.

I remember ziggy saying it's like a different world.

It ain't about being scared of a shadow. It's about protecting yourself from crime that we know is out there and sometimes comes to your doorstep.

If I was that scared, I'd have it on me at all times. My gun is the same as a baseball bat with more destructive power.

You could use your shit comment on anything for that matter. If someone picks up a stick because they hear people breaking in downstairs you could say "he's scared of his own shadow". Sounds rather stupid.

[Busyman]

no shit sherlock!?

Then if get rid of all knives then your crime rate may be lower.
Alright then I'm done with you. America doesn't work that way (anymore).

[GepperRankins]

That's what's weird.

I remember ziggy saying it's like a different world.

It ain't about being scared of a shadow. It's about protecting yourself from crime that we know is out there and sometimes comes to your doorstep.

If I was that scared, I'd have it on me at all times. My gun is the same as a baseball bat with more destructive power.

You could use your shit comment on anything for that matter. If someone picks up a stick because they hear people breaking in downstairs you could say "he's scared of his own shadow". Sounds rather stupid.

the mentality over here is that we don't need guns to protect ourselves.

if someone broke into my house i would be scared of my own shadow, doesn't mean i need a gun though.

btw, i said killing someone with a baseball bat is illegal

Then if get rid of all knives then your crime rate may be lower. Alright then I'm done with you.

no, get rid of all tools designed for the sole purpose of killing people


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America doesn't work that way (anymore).

you've got the highest homicide rate in the world. you must be so proud

[JPaul]

They work because of the "take away" method.

Yes, there is less gun crime because we have less guns.

Yes, there are less gun related deaths because we have less guns.

Yes, we like that.

It is of course your prerogative as a nation, to disregard offences which were commited in another country. However do you really think it is in the best interests of your people. In effect giving a criminal a clean slate when he moves there. I don't think so.

[Busyman]

Yes, there is less gun crime because we have less guns.

Yes, there are less gun related deaths because we have less guns.

Yes, we like that.

It is of course your prerogative as a nation, to disregard offences which were commited in another country. However do you really think it is in the best interests of your people. In effect giving a criminal a clean slate when he moves there. I don't think so.

No I don't either. However, everything doesn't match up.

You don't allow guns in UK. If I simply have a gun there that doesn't necessarily make me a danger to America.

Do you really think I want a maniac to come over here and NOT be regarded as such? Of course not. I also do not want a person's rights trampled upon due to an idiosyncrasy of a foreign country as relates to America. If they got a shit deal there it'll carryover here.

Regarding gun related deaths here, I wouldn't get rid o them all but shit, almost anyone is allowed to get one. I can buy a shotgun without a background check ffs. Your main point shouldn't be less gun related deaths but less homicides which of course you have. If your homicide rate remained the same then guns weren't the real issue.

Getting rid of guns is one extreme but unfortunately we have another which is too many allowances.

I would never propose to suddenly ban something (in most cases) when other options have not been applied.

Many could say alcohol is not necessary either and it should be banned.

[Snee]

Oddly enough, their homicide rate is lower.

Strange stuff.

[Busyman]

Oddly enough, their homicide rate is lower.

Strange stuff.

I know. Idint dat somethin'?

Your main point shouldn't be less gun related deaths but less homicides which of course you have.