Who do you think are the biggest sellouts, music wise?

[GepperRankins]

i see what you mean about about ice-cube. though he could say all along he wanted to get rich and popular and that was why he's angry; because people wouldn't give him the chance.



anti-flag sellout? wtf?

[Afronaut]

Here's a bunch of my thoughts about Selling Out,
in no real coherent order, necessarily: (typing too much too fast, i did read this trhough once before posting thought)

For not-so-famous artists, in the end this all has a lot to do with money imo.
You just need the cash, no way around it. (food, roof etc.)
How many uknown ppl there is who make awsome music and when they get Teh Contract
and the album comes out with the Radio Sound all over?

Whos fault is that exactly?
Is it a bad thing really?

Musicians dont necessarily hold the same morals and ethics as the audience.
They just gotta break the bread too, which means compromising a little about "what to play",
or how to play might not be so difficult decision to mak as one would think.

Imaging being a songwriter with shit-no-cash (income) and suddenly getting a
contract what could give you a lot of it only IF you
sing it and do your songs with the compromise,
ie; lets have a famous producers/engineers to add the Radio Sound in your songs,
and while we're at it, lets cut all the nonsense parts and make it fit the format, under 3 min that is:

Radio Friendly.

Eh?
Why dont they cut all the painting to 50 x 50 cm regadless the original size?
Just shrink 'em I say, it is exactly the same shit they do for a lot of songs.
(Radio-Mix my ass.)

What im trying to explain here is:
A band which use to make sort of cool sounding rock music
and then started to add more "pop" innit to make it "radio friendly" in the last album, i'd say
Greenday is a good example. IMO.
Not that the latest songs are really bad but compare the sound to earlier stuff.
Or, could it be just sort of evolution?
Maybe them "artists" really wanted the bells and wistles on the music
and it wasnt like the producer/engineers/record company push them to do that,
who knows, really.


To get to the bottom of it, in most cases, I guess one should know the guys playing in the band to make the judgement,

Maybe they did it just for the hell of it but I sure dont like the "new sound".
Its just too nice. There's no balls innit. For that type of band it is the wrong direction to go,
sound wise, and that is my opinion.
I wonder how they gonna get the same sound live.

My opinion is strongly biased by my taste and the fact
that I think playing guitar is a ballsy thing to do
compared to adding samples and loops, in general.


My opinion about Metallica is:
I dont personally think Metallica sold out or anything,
they was rather popular since Justice-album allready,
they just suck more these days which is, again, imo.

And, how can an artist be sell-out if you selling like hell allready?
Surely Metallica was doing good since Ride the Lighning.
How much money one needs to make to be a sellout? Is there a line somewhere?

I would think one needs to be almost unknown then "sellout", making the radio-format.
Or, am I missing the points here?



I still like their earlier albums, but there's some other reasons why I dont dig Metallica so much anymore;
IMO Kirk Hammet is the most over rated guitar player of all time whos solos started to
suck so bad after the black album that I just have to skip them whilst listening the songs.
(I read he went more "bluesy" from the Load album and up, but playing out of tune sucks always, blues or not.)
This comes from a guy who just loves guitar solos.
It's perfectly natural to play somewhat out of whack on live situation,
but to leave the shit on finished album, I dont think so.
Again, that's just my opinion.

That's one reason I cannot listen Jimi Hendrix that much either,
Especially the live recordings.
He was often so out of tune, given the fact that those days there was drugs
and no Tuners. But for mr. Hammet to play out of tune in the album like Load is just crap, imo.
Anyone seen/heard his version of the Hedrix lick Little Wing in Pinge and Purge Live?
It cuts me deep everytime I see/hear that.
Im not extremely good player but atleast I think I know when I cannot play a tune
I wont be playing it.
If it does not work, dont let it rip.


I like the Raw sound of Rock bands a lot, but I also like some very much produced stuff like Roger Waters
or Steve Vai stuff. However, the pop-radio-over-produced-sound is why I dont listen Radio or dont watch MTV.
I think that might be what I consider the sound of a SellOut.
One bends over because what the market needs / wants.
Compromise on the songs, think about what ppl wants to hear,
not what the artist hears in the head.
I also think it has a lot to do with Record Companys and Producers how the sound
of a band comes out on the albums sometimes.
Some artists bends over easier than others.

It's interesting to see up-close, say, an indie band who sounds tight live
and what they sound on album when they get the first one out.
Just to consider did they got assrammed. Ofcourse, there's much more into it what meets the eye, or ear.

Some bands, or ppl in the bands, want so hard "to make it" that they're willing
to get rammed. Without the lube.

Then ofcource, we got the Total Products, the ones done from adds in paper and all that.
Spice girls?
Good example what a bunch of good-catchy song writers, good engineers (expensive studios),
dance classes and lotsa cash on marketing can do.
Are they the real SellOuts? I mean, that's the whole point is it not?
Atleast from Record Companys view.
Are all bands sellouts, for that matter?
I think yes, its a bisnes where's tons of cash to make.
Most often the Art just get drowned in the mud, its almost an art to find the
really cool stuff that rocks the boat, hehe.
And all that has much to do with a taste which differs from ppl to ppl.

I often try to imagine a band Im listening without the hollywood-radio-whatever-effects.
Trying to strip it down to the basic instruments.
Yeah, it is hard these days, can't really hear what was played and what is a loop or sample.

Overall, the term SellOut is a bit dim for me, it seems.

[AvatarKar]

Kid Rock, without a doubt. Biggest sell out period.

[3RA1N1AC]

i see what you mean about about ice-cube. though he could say all along he wanted to get rich and popular and that was why he's angry; because people wouldn't give him the chance.

yeh, my comment about ice cube was not entirely serious really. even though he is one of the original inventors of angry gangsta rap, neither he nor most other rappers have ever been real gangstas. he may not have been a rich kid, but he wasn't from the ghetto either... the "gangsta" was just a dramatic character he invented for himself to play, albeit a very powerful character. everybody loves a young rebel, but he rightfully made way for a younger generation. nobody likes watching an old man trying to play a young man's game (see: mick jagger still strutting around like a rooster, singing about his raging hormones and whatnot. teenage kicks? more like "get off the stage before you break your hip, granddad!!").

[MCHeshPants420]

Anti-Flag, hands down.

Explain.

[Lilmiss]

Anti-Flag, hands down.

Explain.

Maybe because they signed a two year contract with RCA, promising to push 2 albums in that time. Ownage sucks, especially when all your songs are based on rebelling against the system. They still rawk though.

Unless knowledge; RCA has links with General Electric which also has ties with landmine manufacturing. clicky

My arse.

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Guttermouth.

= Laughable in a bad way.

Although, "Looking out for #1" is sooo cheesy it's good.
Arg, me hearties.

[GepperRankins]

Explain.

Maybe because they signed a two year contract with RCA, promising to push 2 albums in that time. Ownage sucks, especially when all your songs are based on rebelling against the system. They still rawk though.

Unless knowledge; RCA has links with General Electric which also has ties with landmine manufacturing. clicky

My arse.

pretty damn damning

i'll never be able to look at them the same way again

[KaBuTo]

Ozzy Osbourne

[motov600]

danial bedingfield we went from uk label to usa label
same goes for craig david and the lost prophets (forgive the spelling, since using a computer my spelling has deteriated, but thats another story)

[GepperRankins]

i agree lost prophets suck. it took a dedicated UK fanbase to raise them to the mainstream then for their first video they go to america and pay people to pretend they're fans. that really pisses me off for some reason