A moral too far ?

[Busyman]

Aren't all laws based on someones or some peoples moral values?

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Most laws I'd agree, but as I have said my objection is about personal moral values.
If I make "values" the wide scope manker suggests then for example you may think smoking should be banned in public places as it affects others. That is just.. it is unjust to ban smoking in private homes, that is infringing on personal freedoms.

the fact that laws were mostly based on someone's morals doesn't make them just and it's better to prevent an unjust law than have to repeal it.

Some of what I already stated has to do with "personal moral values."

[manker]

Nice one, RF. In part it's what I'm trying to say ... I agree with you entirely.

Oh gawd. I basically said the same thing and now "you agree...entirely".

Meh, who reads your posts






Jus' kidding, I have been typing and working a fair bit tonight, I prolly missed it as I was focusing on vid's. RF posted in a lull.

[vidcc]

The 'circular' bit was just leading up to the important conclusion. Duno if you missed it.



Btw, spammer

i don't see it that way... i see action or in this case inaction being what counts, words mean little.

Doesn't matter how little you think they mean, the fact that you've acknowledged that they mean something means that my assertion is correct.

You disagree with freedom of expression as an absolute.

nice try but you are wrong, perhaps i should rephrase...words mean nothing..actions or lack of mean everything.. try to refrain from pointing to the dictionary

[manker]

i don't see it that way... i see action or in this case inaction being what counts, words mean little.

Doesn't matter how little you think they mean, the fact that you've acknowledged that they mean something means that my assertion is correct.

You disagree with freedom of expression as an absolute.

nice try but you are wrong, perhaps i should rephrase...words mean nothing.... try to refrain from pointing to the dictionary

Wriggle wriggle.

It's okay, you're off the hook. I'm going to bed

[vidcc]

Doesn't matter how little you think they mean, the fact that you've acknowledged that they mean something means that my assertion is correct.

You disagree with freedom of expression as an absolute.

nice try but you are wrong, perhaps i should rephrase...words mean nothing.... try to refrain from pointing to the dictionary

Wriggle wriggle.

It's okay, you're off the hook. I'm going to bed

sleep is for wimps

[Busyman]

However, you keep harping on "you have the right to object."

I am responding to accusations how am i harping?

On that note, no shit. You are in essence, lobbying. You are just on the other side of the issue.
No shit sherlock, take a brain cell out of petty cash
Hmm. I didn't hear no shit when RF said it.


Regarding "moral values being forced upon you." Sorry but that's where most of our laws came to fruition.

Does that make them right ?
Who's says what's right then?
Hey I'd like to marry 3 women. The law says I can't do it.
I'd like to fuck for money. The law says I can't do it.
I'd like to smoke weed to get high at home. The law says I can't do it.
Some 30 year-old fella wants to fuck a 16 year-old girl. The law says he can't do it.
Some female wants to abort her baby 7-months into the pregancy. The law says she can't do it.
A family would like to eat a Poodle for dinner. The law says they can't do it.
I'd like to walk in my front yard naked. The law says I can't do it.
Men can run around outside with no shirt on. Some women would like to also. The law says she can't do it.

Tired of moral values being forced upon you? Fight for change or shut-up.....
lets close the forum down as opinion should not be stated BTW . you know nothing of my past or present so your line here is bull crapHey I don't like certain moral values made into law either but certain ones I do. However I don't disagree with folks trying to lobby ffs.
..and force your moral values upon them 'cause that's all your doing.

there is a difference between fighting against a law that stops you doing something in your own home that doesn't affect anyone but yourself and fighting for a law to stop your actions affecting others. You can walk around naked in your own home as much as you like If your fence is high enough that your actions do not affect others that's fine, walk around naked in my home and i'll set the dogs on you.

there are many unjust laws already... we don't need more.

Their are many laws that don't make allowances 'for your own home.'

Weed smoking is one them. Prostitution is another. I could easily go on.

On the real, you have a problem with folks lobbying for laws that you disagree with.

That's what this comes down to.

[vidcc]

Their are many laws that don't make allowances 'for your own home.'

Weed smoking is one them. Prostitution is another. I could easily go on.

I said there are unjust laws... if you wish to smoke weed in your home you should be allowed to.... you should not be allowed to smoke it in a public place where others can breathe your smoke and you should not be allowed to "drag and drive"... If you are a druggie and you commit a crime because you are high then the fact that you were high and didn't know what you were doing is no defence.

I see no harm in legalising prostitution, IF it would get it off the streets and under control so we don't have enforced prostitution (there is a slave trade in existence) or the "pimp" issue. Also regulation could reduce the health risks. Brothels should come under zoning laws so you don't have men going in and out of the "house next door"... there are many reasons why legalisation is justified... but it would need policing... and frankly I don't think we could stop "rouges" or underage walking the streets...that should always be illegal.

Neither of these things I agree with from a personal viewpoint. I am anti drug from a health point of view but if you want to harm yourself fine, as long as you harm nobody else. I have never nor would I ever use a prostitute. But it won't affect me if you did....so given the criteria above (not a total package) then smoke and screw away.

On the real, you have a problem with folks lobbying for laws that you disagree with.

That's what this comes down to.

No shit..... you really must be high tonight to be able to figure that out.... seeing as I only said it a gazillionquadbillion times.... I don't like the homosexual act, but as they don't affect me I am against any law that will deny them the right to be homosexual.

I see no difference to objecting to any attempt at making an unjust law that infringes personal freedom whatever the level the attempt is. I see no difference between my objection to them trying to make the law and lobbying against them to stop the succeeding.

Edit: BTW both you and Jpaul told the canuk he shouldn't be talking about dog welfare when there is a homeless person...... Are you both anti freespeech and anti freedom of expression?

[maebach]

i think we should slow down on mediacl advancements. think of this: people have evolved from monkeys or something, but we havent in the 5000 years. i think this could because of medical advancements and how nobody wants to die. this might be stoping us from eevolving to our next form. just a theory.

[bigboab]

there is a difference between fighting against a law that stops you doing something in your own home that doesn't affect anyone but yourself and fighting for a law to stop your actions affecting others. You can walk around naked in your own home as much as you like If your fence is high enough that your actions do not affect others that's fine, walk around naked in my home and i'll set the dogs on you.

there are many unjust laws already... we don't need more.

Their are many laws that don't make allowances 'for your own home.'

Weed smoking is one them. Prostitution is another. I could easily go on.

On the real, you have a problem with folks lobbying for laws that you disagree with.

That's what this comes down to.

Surely if someone lobby's for something I am against, then I am entitled to lobby with a case against what they are lobbying for. Once a law has been passed then everyone has to obey that law or face the consequences. Therefore the time to complain is before it reaches the deicision making.
It is too late to say everyone should obey the law, but it's OK for me to smoke pot. If that analogy fits the situation.

@ Vidcc please refrain from using other threads to try and prove that members sometimes forget what they said a few days ago. This is against the rules of 'This forum'. I will have you excommunicated.

[Busyman]

Their are many laws that don't make allowances 'for your own home.'

Weed smoking is one them. Prostitution is another. I could easily go on.

On the real, you have a problem with folks lobbying for laws that you disagree with.

That's what this comes down to.

Surely if someone lobby's for something I am against, then I am entitled to lobby with a case against what they are lobbying for. Once a law has been passed then everyone has to obey that law or face the consequences. Therefore the time to complain is before it reaches the deicision making.
It is too late to say everyone should obey the law, but it's OK for me to smoke pot. If that analogy fits the situation.

Oh I got it biggy. Some others don't.