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    Satellite toll plan to make drivers pay by the mile

    Darling orders nationwide road pricing. Charge of 1.34 a mile on busiest roads
    By Francis Elliott, Deputy Political Editor


    05 June 2005

    British motorists face paying a new charge for every mile they drive in a
    revolutionary scheme to be introduced within two years.


    Drivers will pay according to when and how far they travel throughout the
    country's road network under proposals being developed by the Government.


    Alistair Darling, the Secretary of State for Transport, revealed that pilot areas
    will be selected in just 24 months' time as he made clear his determination to
    press ahead with a national road pricing scheme.


    Each of Britain's 24 million vehicles would be tracked by satellite if a variable "pay-as-you-drive" charge replaces the current road tax.

    In an interview with The Independent on Sunday, Mr Darling warned that unless action is taken now, the country "could face gridlock" within two decades.

    Official research suggests national road pricing could increase the capacity of
    Britain's network by as much as 40 per cent at a stroke, he said.


    The rapid uptake of satellite navigational technology in cars is helping to
    usher in the new "pay-as-you-drive" charge much sooner than had been
    expected. Figures contained in a government feasibility study have suggested
    motorists could pay up to 1.34 for each mile they travel during peak hours
    on the most congested roads.


    Although a fully operational national scheme is still considered to be a decade
    away, Mr Darling said local schemes could be up and running within five
    years. Manchester is considered a front-runner, with local authorities in the
    Midlands and London also pressing to be considered for a 2.5bn central fund
    to introduce the change.


    Most of the necessary technology already exists. Lorries will be tracked by
    satellite and charged accordingly from 2007. The main obstacle to
    constructing a scheme to track Britain's 24 million private vehicles is public
    opinion, and Mr Darling is determined to start making the case now.


    "You could dance around this for years but every year the problem is getting
    worse," he said.


    "We have got to do everything we can during the course of this Parliament to
    decide whether or not we go with road pricing. Something of this magnitude
    will span several parliaments and you need 'buy-in' not just from political
    parties but also from the general public.


    "Drivers have got to see that they benefit," he said, adding that one of the
    "weaknesses" of the congestion charging scheme introduced in the capital by the Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, was that it delivered a "general benefit
    not a particular benefit". Motorists could feel they are paying a penalty to
    support buses they do not use.

    The national road-pricing scheme, by contrast, has got to work so there's
    "something in it for me", said Mr Darling in advance of a keynote speech on
    the issue this Thursday.


    Despite his insistence that the scheme would lead to no overall increase in
    the level of taxation as road taxes and fuel duties are reduced or abolished, it
    is bound to prompt fresh claims that Labour is waging a "war on motorists".


    Some campaigners, meanwhile, are pressing Mr Darling to introduce new levies
    on individual roads immediately, using existing microwave technology or tolls.
    But that would force traffic on to quieter roads while entrenching opposition
    to a national scheme, ministers believe.


    However, new and expanded roads are likely to see innovations such as
    car-sharing lanes, available to single drivers only if they pay a premium.


    http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...p?story=644303

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    Right.

    What about all the older cars that don't have such devices installed?

    And even if all cars had this, how difficult would it be for someone to block the signal to their car?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtualbody1234
    And even if all cars had this, how difficult would it be for someone to block the signal to their car?
    lol yea
    just coat the roof with silver foil


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    Would it not be cheaper to just put the tax onto the price of petrol. That way you will pay according to your road usage, and the mileage capacity of your vehicle. They would not need to 'hunt up fines' and the collection and the means of collecting the extra tax is in place already.

    But then nobody would be making a fortune installing the new system and the politicians concerned would be required to pay back their 'backhanders'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboab
    Would it not be cheaper to just put the tax onto the price of petrol. That way you will pay according to your road usage, and the mileage capacity of your vehicle. They would not need to 'hunt up fines' and the collection and the means of collecting the extra tax is in place already.

    But then nobody would be making a fortune installing the new system and the politicians concerned would be required to pay back their 'backhanders'.
    The tax on fuel is already being done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtualbody1234
    Quote Originally Posted by bigboab
    Would it not be cheaper to just put the tax onto the price of petrol. That way you will pay according to your road usage, and the mileage capacity of your vehicle. They would not need to 'hunt up fines' and the collection and the means of collecting the extra tax is in place already.

    But then nobody would be making a fortune installing the new system and the politicians concerned would be required to pay back their 'backhanders'.
    The tax on fuel is already being done.
    Raise by enough to replace the Road Tax. Then you wont have the million or so tax dodgers that you have at the moment. It would mean, short of stealing petrol, that everyone would be paying a share of the road costs.
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    Yeah that what they do in Canada but then the government doesn't spend the money on needed road repairs. We end up paying but drive on shitty roads.

    They spend the money on unrelated things.
    Last edited by Virtualbody1234; 06-05-2005 at 07:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtualbody1234
    Yeah that what they do in Canada but then the government doesn't spend the money on needed road repairs. We end up paying but drive on shitty roads.

    They spend the money on unrelated things.
    You should lobby to get it changed.
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    Why doesn't someone use there imagination and try to come up with a scheme that isn't just based on price. If I'm driving around in my Ferrari or Roller I'm not really going to care how much I pay.

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