About the Swastica image on sigs etc.

[JPaul]

Re Afro's sig.

I find mankur offensive, can she be deleted.

[lynx]

As rule 5 says, sigs must not be offensive in nature. There's a big difference between someone having a personal dislike for a sig and therefore being offended, and the sig itself being generally offensive.

So cheese being offended by Chelsea sigs wouldn't meet the criteria (but probably should ), but I agree that some other things may do. So just having someone complain isn't in itself going to get a sig removed.

[GepperRankins]

afro, can we use this thread to discuss the signatures in question?

I didn't report it, however I agree with it's removal. I also think those who used the image did it for shock effect, which was rather pathetic.

I think it is grossly insensitive to use certain images as a source of amusement.

I believe that images which promote or trivialize bigotry, racism or anti-semitism should be removed.

I am all for free speech. That includes my right to object when others say things which I totally disagree with or find distasteful. That seems fair.

i suppose that was a factor but the reasoning was more than just to shock people.

1. i was sticking up for someone who had been threatened for the message in his signature.

2. i suppose the best word is propaganda: the signature suggests that EA are an oppressive, aggressive regime that will pretty much fuck gaming up through it's aims to take-over 95% of the games industry to use as a cashcow.

3. to wind you up. i really can't see how anyone would be offended by it, so i did it to wind you do-gooders up.

it's not just amusement. like i said, it's propaganda.

it doesn't promote or trivialise racism or bigotry. it does the absolute opposite. it plays on stuff like that to get the point across that our oppinions of EA are very negative.

this isn't a freedom of speech zone. i don't mind having the sig removed. i just have trouble working out why you're offended


oh and the "nazi punks fuck off"... i just wanted to see what you'd say

[JPaul]

it doesn't promote or trivialise racism or bigotry. it does the absolute opposite. it plays on stuff like that to get the point across that our oppinions of EA are very negative.

It compares aggresive marketing to attempted genocide, how is that not trivializing the suffering and death of millions of people based on their religious beliefs.

The fact that you used it to make a point about computer gaming is even more offensive, fuck sake, you weren't even doing it for something which matters.

You were sticking up for someone, whoop de fucking do. He deserved to be picked on for what was in his sig. So nil points from me for sticking up for him.

Ooh, Dave called me a do-gooder, I'm offended. Think about it idiot, you were sticking up for the poor we lamb who was getting picked on. What would that make you.

[GepperRankins]

oh FFS i've had it up to here with this




they may not be killing people but they do treat their workers badly and tie them in to contracts that will ruin them if they break. they are trying to take over the world, well the gaming world anyway. there are comparisons but that's not so much the point because as cheese pointed out it's a hyperbole. it's pretty obvious unless you're stupid.

i wouldn't have stood up for TC if i didn't agree with him. i would have let it drop by now also if it wasn't for this:

sorry young fella, nothing against you personally though you should have known better, but gonna get it to fuck

people shouldn't threaten to give what they can't take

[MCHeshPants420]

oh FFS i've had it up to here with this



they may not be killing people but they do treat their workers badly and tie them in to contracts that will ruin them if they break. they are trying to take over the world, well the gaming world anyway. there are comparisons but that's not so much the point because as cheese pointed out it's a hyperbole. it's pretty obvious unless you're stupid.

i wouldn't have stood up for TC if i didn't agree with him. i would have let it drop by now also if it wasn't for this:

sorry young fella, nothing against you personally though you should have known better, but gonna get it to fuck

people shouldn't threaten to give what they can't take

I'd prefer people didn't use the symbol for its negative aspect so as to let those religions who use the symbol for (very) different reasons a chance to "reclaim" it.

[JPaul]

they may not be killing people but they do treat their workers badly and tie them in to contracts that will ruin them if they break.

So that compares to the indiscriminate torture and premeditated murder of millions of men woman and children. The concentration camps and the gas chambers. The stealing of people's homes and assets. The burning of their places of worship.

To say nothing of the Nazis attempting World domination and not just the computer gaming World.

It's the fact that you even think that which is the most offensive thing.

[GepperRankins]

you're actually putting effort into missing the point aren't you.

did you also put effort into making sure i can't quote your post out of context like you did mine?

[JPaul]

you're actually putting effort into missing the point aren't you.

did you also put effort into making sure i can't quote your post out of context like you did mine?

No, I just see the point differently from you.

I find your use of the Swastika, now one of the most despised symbols in the western World, inappropriate. I find your justification for it's use insufficient to negate the offense it causes, to a great many people.

Please feel free to quote my posts in any way you see fit.

[bigboab]

oh FFS i've had it up to here with this



they may not be killing people but they do treat their workers badly and tie them in to contracts that will ruin them if they break. they are trying to take over the world, well the gaming world anyway. there are comparisons but that's not so much the point because as cheese pointed out it's a hyperbole. it's pretty obvious unless you're stupid.

i wouldn't have stood up for TC if i didn't agree with him. i would have let it drop by now also if it wasn't for this:


people shouldn't threaten to give what they can't take

I'd prefer people didn't use the symbol for its negative aspect so as to let those religions who use the symbol for (very) different reasons a chance to "reclaim" it.

I agree.

The Original Meaning

The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.

It is all down to association. If you want to associate the Swastika with the Nazis then that is your choice. That does not mean that every person has to do the same.

There is far too much 'association' of words resulting in the loss or misuse of their original meanings. The Swastika and Gay are two examples in my lifetime. If you were to play Harry Bellafonte's 'Jamaica Farewell' to a youngster today, what would he think of the line, 'Down the way where the nights are gay'?