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[brotherdoobie]

My best wishes. Courage,London...

Forgiveness is king
By Emeka Azuine

Hatred comes from hearts
That have drowned their love
Enmity thrives in hearts
For whom God means no love.

War comes from hearts
That have dwarfed their brotherhood
Mayhem grows amidst faults
Unreconciled for the boom of good.

Forgiveness blossoms from hearts
That discover triumph in humility
Vendetta moulds around hearts
Like caves plundered by brutality.

When emotions trample over wisdom
We must step backwards and pause
For revenge is like a curse
It denies souls the triumph of freedom.

Heed the words,of JPaul and Rat Faced...prudence...mates...prudence.

Peace bd

[Busyman]

I will limit my involvement in this thread to expressing my sincerest empathy and sympathy to all of London, Britain and the Greater U.K., and especially to those directly affected.

Terrorism is senseless, and should be repugnant even to it's amoral practitioners.

American hearts are with you all.

Myself included.

I just hope that no one thinks that this attack took place because of England’s stance on Iraq.

Oh I imagine it partly is. The heads of Al Qaeda use anything they can to say we are persecuting Muslims.

It is ammo. However I say fuck them. You don't relent because a terrorist bombs you. You try to be fair in your dealings with Muslims but you don't send a message to them that terrorism works by giving them their way.

[GepperRankins]

am i supposed to support your government now?


this solidarity thing is stupid. we gotta think for ourselves or this attack could be used by our government to attack any muslims they feel like.

[vidcc]

Myself included.

I just hope that no one thinks that this attack took place because of England’s stance on Iraq. This just like the attack of 9/11 was an attack on Western Civilization.

I have no doubt that Iraq is one reason Hank. whether you think we are right or not they very likely believe we are attacking their eastern civilisation. It is a vicious circle. Americans have the attitude "American interests above all else"....EVERY other nation has the same attitude (substitute American with "other") I doubt that our interests are the same as others and vice versa.
Of course I condemn this inexcusable act, they are murderers, nothing else and should be punished. But as I have said before, to eradicate disease we need to not only cure the infection, but the cause of the infection so we are not re-infected.
On a side note, watching shows like Scarborough yesterday I do wonder if the US population in general realises that other nations have endured terrorism for a long time before 9/11 happened.

[JPaul]

am i supposed to support your government now?


this solidarity thing is stupid. we gotta think for ourselves or this attack could be used by our government to attack any muslims they feel like.

How would that work.

The muderers attack Muslim people, so we take that as an excuse to also attack Muslim people.

I really don't see your logic.

That would be like saying the IRA is predominantly if not entirely Catholic, so if they set of a bomb in London we can attack predominantly Catholic countries.

Or do you mean, like you said that the Government could attack individual Muslims because of this.

[Busyman]

Or do you mean, like you said that the Government could attack individual Muslims because of this.

[GepperRankins]

am i supposed to support your government now?


this solidarity thing is stupid. we gotta think for ourselves or this attack could be used by our government to attack any muslims they feel like.

How would that work.

The muderers attack Muslim people, so we take that as an excuse to also attack Muslim people.

I really don't see your logic.

That would be like saying the IRA is predominantly if not entirely Catholic, so if they set of a bomb in London we can attack predominantly Catholic countries.

Or do you mean, like you said that the Government could attack individual Muslims because of this.

one apparent reason we attacked iraq is because of september 11th. until the war there was no link between iraq and al qaida. the war got overwhelming support in america because the people allowed themselves to be convinced a war was justified because iraq apparently had weapons of mass destruction and worked with al qaida. none of these have been proven yet, or any evidence found to suggest they could be true.

it happened because a scared people believed the bullshit they were fed by their government.
now i refuse to see this as an us versus them situation. it's our government's fault and that's how i will remain to see it.

i don't believe people go through the effort to kill innocent people just because they don't like our society and i'm sick of being told that.


so to answer the question. i don't want anybody to attack any muslims because of this, be it a brick through a shop window or invading a country without good reason.

[JPaul]

How would that work.

The muderers attack Muslim people, so we take that as an excuse to also attack Muslim people.

I really don't see your logic.

That would be like saying the IRA is predominantly if not entirely Catholic, so if they set of a bomb in London we can attack predominantly Catholic countries.

Or do you mean, like you said that the Government could attack individual Muslims because of this.

one apparent reason we attacked iraq is because of september 11th. until the war there was no link between iraq and al qaida. the war got overwhelming support in america because the people allowed themselves to be convinced a war was justified because iraq apparently had weapons of mass destruction and worked with al qaida. none of these have been proven yet, or any evidence found to suggest they could be true.

it happened because a scared people believed the bullshit they were fed by their government.
now i refuse to see this as an us versus them situation. it's our government's fault and that's how i will remain to see it.

i don't believe people go through the effort to kill innocent people just because they don't like our society and i'm sick of being told that.


so to answer the question. i don't want anybody to attack any muslims because of this, be it a brick through a shop window or invading a country without good reason.

Iraq is a country. The people of America did not attack the members of a religion.

There were probably American citizens who were also Muslim murdered in the Sept 11th atrocity. I cannot say if it is the case, however it is a distinct possibility that there were Muslims murdered in the London atrocity.

I would be absolutely horrified if our Government declared war on a religion. FFS that's what the holocaust was about and we (the UK and the US) were leading lights in stopping it, along with our other allies.

The UK Government will not use this as a reason to "attack any muslims they feel like".

[AcID ZeR0]

Twas a terrible day on Thursday, I live really near to one of the blasts, granted I slept through it but it really shakes you up when something like this happens on your own door step.

What makes it worse?

I don't know if I should be posting this but it really made me feel sick,
Yesterday at about 10:00pm we had the patio doors open and we heard a noise from the garden directly behind us.
There are foreign people living there (Without going into any ethnic detail).
I went out into the garden and it sounded like they was having a party and I kid you not they where toasting each other and chanting bomb, bomb.

It was reported to Crimestoppers by my Sister.

[GepperRankins]

religion is a tool and you know it. the only al-qaida-iraq link was islam, but that was enough to convince the american public.