I would like to argue something pretty important to me.

[bigboab]

I think the Active Denial System is already in use by top politicians.

[Biggles]

Rafi

Don't you think that perhaps you are viewing this back to front. Surely you feel secure with heavy security because you are surrounded by people that want to attack you. We are not surrounded by people who want to attack us hence armed guards at every cafe is wild overkill (if you will pardon the pun) and a hugely unnecessary expense.

I, for one, would like my country to remain somewhere where I am free to roam at will and where the only danger in a cafe is a bad cup of tea. The handful of deranged psychos that have set up shop in London will be caught and will make radical Islam an even more unacceptable bad joke to young British Muslims.

With regards Israel, I would visit quite happily. Although not my particular faith, it would nevertheless be interesting to see the historical sites.

My ex spent almost a year there back in 78 and enjoyed the country and the people immensely, although she did come back less than impressed with Hassidic Jews whom she found rude and overbearing. I guess it just shows that all extremes are a pain in the butt no matter which side they are on.

Apologies in advance if you are a Hassidic Jew Rafi.

[tralalala]

Don't you worry Biggles, I AM NOT a Hassidic Jew... they are them people with Peot (the dangling hair near the ears), those silly black hats, and dance to kiddy music.....

In fact, the Hareydim Jews are even worse... They are everything the Hassidic Jews are, plus they are the ones settling in the Palestinian territories.........


But back to the subject:

We are surrounded by people that hate us, you are not surrounded, but are carefully watched by many people WANTING to attack you...

Anyway, it's actually very difficult to determine the next attack in Europe, simply because the countries who were attacked have so many Muslims in them, they are not aware of the dangers in not "monitoring" them (not that I'm saying do that just to Muslims - there are plenty Jews wanting to attack Arabs and are caught weekly..).

That's why I think places are more dangerouse - the denial of acceptance that you are not as safe as before.


P.S: Go visit the Old City of Jerusalem.. amazing place. Plenty of places up north too - Akko (Acre), Tiberias, Gamla and many more - look 'em up on Google you'll find them easy

[Rat Faced]

Old city of Jeruselem, one of the reasons that the jews are hated.. you know, demolishing someone elses houses so that the state can build more jewish homes..

Think i'll give it a miss, thanks all the same.

Terrorists come in all shapes sizes creeds and races; just because the islamic ones are getting a bad press, you shouldnt forget the Christian ones or indeed the Jewish.

[Jon L. Obscene]

We live in the free world, we will not live in a police state, our forefathers fought for our freedom and it will not be taken from us by cowardly pathetic little insignificant........I was gonna say people but terrorists are not human, they are slime.
As someone said earlier in this thread I think.......to guard every train bus, cafe and shop is admitting you are afraid and therefore bowing down to terrorists.

The WW2 ceremony today held in london with loads of important people , most of the royal family and the prime minister in light of recent events just goes to show we will not live in fear or change our plans because of fear.

We in the free world will remain free

Jonno

[Snee]

We live in the free world, we will not live in a police state, our forefathers fought for our freedom and it will not be taken from us by cowardly pathetic little insignificant........I was gonna say people but terrorists are not human, they are slime.
As someone said earlier in this thread I think.......to guard every train bus, cafe and shop is admitting you are afraid and therefore bowing down to terrorists.

The WW2 ceremony today held in london with loads of important people , most of the royal family and the prime minister in light of recent events just goes to show we will not live in fear or change our plans because of fear.

We in the free world will remain free

Jonno

And if someone won't agree with that, then let's blast them with microwaves till they do.

[Busyman]

Well I have no problem with an upgraded security presence.

For instance, in bad areas that fit Tikibonbon's "demographic" having more police patrol the areas.

Our subway system for instance has Metro cops in full view everytime I go there. However, they are not bothering anyone by being there.

I disagree with guarding every bus, train, etc. but I agree with more security than before.

You can do it without being a police state. To my knowledge Israel is not one.

Israel just happens to be like Microsoft.

[Barbarossa]

Anyway, it's actually very difficult to determine the next attack in Europe, simply because the countries who were attacked have so many Muslims in them, they are not aware of the dangers in not "monitoring" them (not that I'm saying do that just to Muslims - there are plenty Jews wanting to attack Arabs and are caught weekly..).

Mmmmkay...

Not content to have armed security guards on every street corner and in every shop/bus/train....

In your ideal world you now want the movements and presumably the actions, associations and communications of all Muslim and non-Muslim people alike, to be "monitored"...



Do you want to live in a society where you are constantly under suspicion??

[tralalala]

Old city of Jeruselem, one of the reasons that the jews are hated.. you know, demolishing someone elses houses so that the state can build more jewish homes..

Think i'll give it a miss, thanks all the same.

Terrorists come in all shapes sizes creeds and races; just because the islamic ones are getting a bad press, you shouldnt forget the Christian ones or indeed the Jewish.

WTF??

Why do you think demolishing houses of terrorists gives money to building Jewish homes in a place with no room for them anyway??

And I can't seem to recall the last suicide bomber who happened to be a Jew


@Jonno: Do you honestly think that having more security to catch maniacs is giving in to them?? Giving in to them would be letting them run free in the streets lurking and trying to blow you up again.

@Busyman: Israel is not a police state. There are too many different peoples to become a police state.

@colin: My ideal world would be a world where you wouldn't need any security, no poverty, equality in all areas, and no need to double think when you are planning to travel a bus, plus no need to go into the army and fight (which is where I will be in 2 and a half years ).

[Busyman]

Old city of Jeruselem, one of the reasons that the jews are hated.. you know, demolishing someone elses houses so that the state can build more jewish homes..

Think i'll give it a miss, thanks all the same.

Terrorists come in all shapes sizes creeds and races; just because the islamic ones are getting a bad press, you shouldnt forget the Christian ones or indeed the Jewish.

WTF??

Why do you think demolishing houses of terrorists gives money to building Jewish homes in a place with no room for them anyway??
All the occupants aren't terrorists though.
And I can't seem to recall the last suicide bomber who happened to be a Jew


@Jonno: Do you honestly think that having more security to catch maniacs is giving in to them?? Giving in to them would be letting them run free in the streets lurking and trying to blow you up again.
On that, I agree. However, he conveniently adds "every bus, plane, train...." blah, blah, blah.....and on that, I agree as well.

@Busyman: Israel is not a police state. There are too many different peoples to become a police state.
Yeah. I kinda said that.

@colin: My ideal world would be a world where you wouldn't need any security, no poverty, equality in all areas, and no need to double think when you are planning to travel a bus, plus no need to go into the army and fight (which is where I will be in 2 and a half years ).

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