I would like to argue something pretty important to me.

[tralalala]

I'm sorry Rio but that post of yours is out of order.

"is typical of your sort". Your sort?? Now you talking to me as if I'm some alien or something?!
Israel is the only country where Jews can live, and not be worried about antisemetism which is growing more and more.
The Palestinians can live in any other Arab countrywithout worrying about antisemetism, don't you think?

How can you say I hate them? I don't like them for what that small portion of them do, but I do not hate the majority, they are good people.
Many Israelis? You've been watching Al-Jazeera again right?
That portion of land I was talking about is the land that was used by the settlers, and currently is held by Israel (though I think it should'nt be held by us).
Yes, Jews may well live anywhere, but their home is in Israel, land of the Jews, and you cannot change that.

[Barbarossa]

Yes, Jews may well live anywhere, but their home is in Israel, land of the Jews, and you cannot change that.

Funny, I could have sworn that part of the world used to be called Palestine ...

So basically you want to drive all the Palestinians out of their ancestral home, and hope that other countries such as Syria, Jordan and Egypt will take them in as refugees. Sounds a bit like ethnic cleansing to me.. Sounds alot like religious persecution too, you know, sort of like that anti-semetism you were bleating on about..

[bigboab]

I think that solving this problem will take a long while.

If you are a Jew then you believe that this is your promised land.

If you are a Palestinian then you believe that the land is yours.

If you are Islamic then you back the Palestinians, or appear so to do.

If you are non religious then you look at the facts.

When I was a young boy the Jews were the terrorists, killing British soldiers.
People tend to forget this fact. Or were they 'freedom fighters' depending on which side of the fence you were on.

Now the Palestinians are the terrorists, or are they 'freedom fighters'.

A very tricky situation. When you start talking about 'promised lands' The British 'promised' this land(and a lot of other land) to the Arabs for their help in the dismantling of the Ottoman Empire in that area. Lawrence Of Arabia and all that. The british were forced to renege on that promise by the intervention of WW2 and the League Of Nations Mandate on Palestine.

I would not even attempt to try and take sides in all that mess. Who is right and who is wrong. I dont know.

[RioDeLeo]

I would not even attempt to try and take sides in all that mess. Who is right and who is wrong. I dont know.

To the victor goes the spoils, unfortunately. In this case the haves are in the wrong and the have-nots are in the right, because it's the haves who are denying the have-nots what is rightfully theirs.

@ Tralala, you have a hide calling my post out of order, and judging by the comments here you are convincing no-one.

[bigboab]

In this case the haves are in the wrong and the have-nots are in the right, because it's the haves who are denying the have-nots what is rightfully theirs.

Most indubitably.

[tralalala]

Right,

colin: Where would we go if we were to give "Palestine" in it's whole back to them?
You need to understand that Israel is more than wiling to offer land to the Palestinians to live in. It is up to them to decide if they want it or not.
They strive for more, we can't afford to give more... We are 6 million, they are 1 million.
There is a difference.

No I do not want them out of here, that would be impossible and wrong. I want them to live peacfully next to us.
Israel was called Palestine by the Greeks... Go figure...
Jews have always lived in that land, so have Arabs, but the thing is we will never manage to decide "who was there fisrt".
The fact is today both are still here.
At the 1948 war of independance, straight after the UN decided Israel would become a state for the Jews, what happened? All arab states (Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq and most importantly - the what we now call Palestinians or Israeli-Arabs), started to attack the newly born country simply because they did not want us to live here.
We won.
They lost.
Many fled and today they want to come back.
This is impossible - there would be a demographic explosion if they did.

@BB:
The Jews helped the Brits in WW2.
The Brits promised to let Holocaust survivors to come live in Israel.
They never let more than some 2000 in legally.
That is why some Jews started to attack the Brits - they did not do what they promised to do, leaving many Jews on ships doing nothing, waiting.
Yes, the Palestinians are fighting their war of independance, they will get a state.
They will NOT get all of Israel, that will never happen.

@Rio:
I am only trying to convine people that Israel are not what they see. Don't beleive everything people tell you... (A good example on that is "Yes Minister".. watch it).
And by that odd statement of yours I'm taking that once again you are telling that Israel are wrong, the Arabs are right eh?
Well, THEY FLED THE COUNTRY IN 1948.
THEY NEVER RETURNED.
NOW THEY SUDDENLY WANT TO COME BACK TO GIVE US A HARD TIME.
NO WAY ARE ISRAEL OUT OF ORDER HERE.

Israel is NOT rightfully theirs, never was, never will be.
Israel belongs to the Jews, and has done for 57 years, and thousands of years prior to that.

[tralalala]

And another thing Rio and colin:

Do you support sending the Jews out of Israel and leaving them out?

If not, what do you support in that term then???

[Barbarossa]

And another thing Rio and colin:

Do you support sending the Jews out of Israel and leaving them out?

If not, what do you supposr in that term then???

It just doesn't occur to you to try and find a way to peacefully co-exist with each other, does it?

To be fair, it's not just you, it appears to me that it doesn't occur to any of the involved parties.

Enjoy your military service...

EDIT: Seems I'd better put this back, as Tralalala already replied to it.. However, I apologise in as much that I missed something Tralalala said in the post above the above post... (if that makes any sense)

[tralalala]

Whaaaaa???

You think we don't want to co-exist? We want peace, I WANT PEACE....

That's what I've been saying since I started this thread.......
And what do you mean by "another way to co-exist"..??

Enjoy your military service, whats that supposed to mean!?

[Barbarossa]

Whaaaaa???

You think we don't want to co-exist? We want peace, I WANT PEACE....

That's what I've been saying since I started this thread.......
And what do you mean by "another way to co-exist"..??

Enjoy your military service, whats that supposed to mean!?

Apologies, I did not read all of your previous post.