I would like to argue something pretty important to me.

[tralalala]

It's ok, hap[pens to many people.. Easy to mis-post when typing something about a topic so "delicate"...

[RioDeLeo]

@Rio:
Don't beleive everything people tell you... (A good example on that is "Yes Minister".. watch it).

No, you watch it, l'm not a 15 year old kid, thank you very much!

And by that odd statement of yours I'm taking that once again you are telling that Israel are wrong, the Arabs are right eh?
Well, THEY FLED THE COUNTRY IN 1948.
THEY NEVER RETURNED.
NOW THEY SUDDENLY WANT TO COME BACK TO GIVE US A HARD TIME.
NO WAY ARE ISRAEL OUT OF ORDER HERE.

You invaded them in 1967 and stole all the land they had. You occupy it, illegally, to this day. You have built illegal settlements ever since. You stole all the lands of the West Bank containing the underwater aquafers, and now intend to vacate the Gaza Strip, a land you have no historical or biblical links to, in order to keep the 42% of the West Bank you illegally stole and occupy. Their fight is not only about the return of refugees, driven illegally from their villages by Jewish terrorist gangs, it's about getting rid of the illegal occupiers of their land. They are not asking for the whole of Israel, they are asking for the land you stole from them in 1967, and the removal of foreign forces from their land.

Israel is NOT rightfully theirs, never was, never will be.
Israel belongs to the Jews, and has done for 57 years, and thousands of years prior to that.

Bullshit! Their land is their land, always was and always will be, and there will never be peace in the region until you accept that, and start treating them as equals.

The jews who attacked the British and slaughtered innocent civilians were terrorists, you call them freedom fighters; the Palestinians who oppose the illegal occupation of their lands are called terrorists by you, they look far more like freedom fighters to me.

[Rat Faced]

THEY FLED THE COUNTRY IN 1948.
THEY NEVER RETURNED.
NOW THEY SUDDENLY WANT TO COME BACK TO GIVE US A HARD TIME.
NO WAY ARE ISRAEL OUT OF ORDER HERE.

Israel is NOT rightfully theirs, never was, never will be.
Israel belongs to the Jews, and has done for 57 years, and thousands of years prior to that.

Your last comment contradicts your 1st.

Why?

You fled thousands of years ago, now you all want to come back..

Seems you just lost yourself your own argument.

In addition, if you wish to go the religious route... didnt Jehovah tell you all to not come back to there when you all left?

The Jews that were there for centuries, and the Arabs that were there for centuries lived in peace with each other until the Jews started bombing the hell out of them and the British.

If we should not have dialogeaue with terrorists, then Israel wouldnt exist...as it was created with such dialogue with such terrorists.

The Facts:

Israel is in contravention of numerous UN resolutions.

Nations have been invaded and occupied for less, you get the truth told about your nation and dont like it.


Sky News is owned by News Corporation (Fox News)- Rupert Murdoch. If you think THEY are biased, then your quite correct... on the side of the Israeli's.

The BBC reports the actions of BOTH sides.. you may not like the fact they report the Israeli attrociaties AND the Palestinian ones but they do.


The Journalists have their own little website that says how unbiased the worlds news services are: Israel comes 135th in that list, the UK is in the low 20's.

If you want to know the TRUTH, as the Journalists want to report it.... read the Finnish Newspapers, as they have the most free/truthful press in the world.



Tralalala, the Palestinians helped teh Brits in WWII too.. and i always thought it was the world that was appalled at what was happening to the Jews, not the Jews were helping the allies.

[tralalala]

@Rio:
Don't beleive everything people tell you... (A good example on that is "Yes Minister".. watch it).

No, you watch it, l'm not a 15 year old kid, thank you very much!

And by that odd statement of yours I'm taking that once again you are telling that Israel are wrong, the Arabs are right eh?
Well, THEY FLED THE COUNTRY IN 1948.
THEY NEVER RETURNED.
NOW THEY SUDDENLY WANT TO COME BACK TO GIVE US A HARD TIME.
NO WAY ARE ISRAEL OUT OF ORDER HERE.

You invaded them in 1967 and stole all the land they had. You occupy it, illegally, to this day. You have built illegal settlements ever since. You stole all the lands of the West Bank containing the underwater aquafers, and now intend to vacate the Gaza Strip, a land you have no historical or biblical links to, in order to keep the 42% of the West Bank you illegally stole and occupy. Their fight is not only about the return of refugees, driven illegally from their villages by Jewish terrorist gangs, it's about getting rid of the illegal occupiers of their land. They are not asking for the whole of Israel, they are asking for the land you stole from them in 1967, and the removal of foreign forces from their land.

Israel is NOT rightfully theirs, never was, never will be.
Israel belongs to the Jews, and has done for 57 years, and thousands of years prior to that.

Bullshit! Their land is their land, always was and always will be, and there will never be peace in the region until you accept that, and start treating them as equals.

The jews who attacked the British and slaughtered innocent civilians were terrorists, you call them freedom fighters; the Palestinians who oppose the illegal occupation of their lands are called terrorists by you, they look far more like freedom fighters to me.

OMG have you ever studdied history?!!?

Open a history book, it won't hurt.....

"You invaded them in 1967"... did you ever hear why? All surrounders of Israel were planning to slaughter the Jews and drive them into the sea. Israel, with it's intelligence, managed to get that info and get them before they attacked - the whole Egyptian air force was demolished in 1 day. The war lasted 6 days (thus, the 6 day war). Israel took over the Sini desert as a result of the war, East Jerusalem, The Gaza Strip, The Golan Heights and the West Bank.
Since then, Israel has returned Sini to the Egyptians as part of the peace treaty in 1979.
Gaza will be returned to the Palestinians within 2 months, same with the West Bank.
East Jerusalem will currently remain under Israels authority until firther discussions.
The Golan Heights will remain Israel's forever. It was taken over to stop the Syrians from destroying Kibbutzim (villages) by bombing them from the mountains.

"Illegaly stole..." - I think you mean taken over by as a result of a WAR.


What about Falklands...?

I could easily say Britain illegaly stole land from Argentina..

Regugees illegaly driven from the country? The fled, ran away, there was WAR.
What happened in WW2? Jews fled too, they never went back did they? You don't see Jews sqeualing to go back and live in Germany or Austria or any other country invloved do you??

You say their land is their land - yup, Gaza strip and West Bank and East Jerusalem.
That is their land, always had been always will be.


The Jews you claim were terrorists actually attacked British soldiers - hardly innocent civilians.
I can't recall readin anywhere that British civilians ever lived in Israel, apart from the soldiers, who once again may I remind you did not do what they promised.



It's all a matter of readin THE FACTS.


@RF: I stand corrected.
What I meant is that what they claim as theirs sometimes, is the whole State of Israel, as well as the rest (Gaza, West Bank etc..).
They fled their land, and now want ours.

God was the one who brought us back to Israel from Egypt....

"Jews started to bomb the hell out of them.." - Did you not read my post from before?
The Brits declared they would let Jews emigrate to Israel from Europe, and did they do that? Nope.
That is why Jews started attacking them, as Jews were stuck at sea with no land to go back to, and no land to get in to.

In 1939 all Arabs living in Israel decided to start screwing the Jews, and attacked them on the main routes to big cities (Jeruslalem, Tel Aviv, Tiberias etc..). That is why they were also attacked by the Jews.



About journalism: Did you never notice that all (or most) pics showed by those media stations are of an Israeli tank in front of a Palestinian kid with stones?
Now I ask myself -
A) wtf is that kid doing out? Give him some education instead.
B) Why do those channels never show the heads of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Fatah in their big areas where they get together and shoot guns, make bombs, dress babies in their clothes with a Kalashnikov gun in his hand.. eh? That you never see......

And then you wonder why I say that they try to show Israel as the "bad people"...

[tralalala]

This just in:

A suicide bomber killed 2 or 3 (not verified yet) and injured some 46 others, 6 of them critically, in the Netanya mall.

The Jihad claimed responsibility.


Yet anothe Muslim attack on innocent civilians in Israel......... This is the first attack since the mettings in Sharm El-Sheikh (almost a year ago).

[JPaul]

This just in:

A suicide bomber killed 2 or 3 (not verified yet) and injured some 46 others, 6 of them critically, in the Netanya mall.

The Jihad claimed responsibility.


Yet anothe Muslim attack on innocent civilians in Israel......... This is the first attack since the mettings in Sharm El-Sheikh (almost a year ago).

You really are trying to eat your cake and have it there.

Yet another ... implying it is a regular occurance.

(almost a year ago) .... implying that the attacks are infrequent.

You can't really use the same fact to support opposing views you are trying to put forward.

[tralalala]

Yet another does not mean it happens every day.

This is attack number god knows how many in Israel, that's why I used that phrase.

Yes, in the past 2 years it is infrequent, but in general, attacks on Israel are generally a thing that happens every now and again.

It used to be twice a week, it is now once a year, yes, not as frequent, but it still happens.

[Rat Faced]

My sympathies with the families of those involved.

You don't see Jews sqeualing to go back and live in Germany or Austria or any other country invloved do you??

There are currently over 100,000 Jews in Germany, however i'd agree that at the moment i'd rather be in a different country to Austria at the moment if i were Jewish (currently 10,000).. or a member of any other minority for that matter.

The "Freedom" Party has altogether too much power there, and its pretty obvious what tendancies this party has

I'm not trying to be "Anti-Israeli" Tralala.. however, until you can see yourselves through the eyes of your enemies, then it doesnt matter how much talking is done, you wont understand the hate and there wont be peace.

That works for both sides in the conflict, even when you think that the issues are "Self Evident". They believe they are in the right, just as much as you do.. and the evidence does not place Israel as "Can do no wrong", sorry to say.

As to religion:

I was on about the despirtion of the tribes throughout the world, and told only to return when you followed ALL of the Commandments.

Last i heard; Thou Shalt Not Kill, is still a Commandment and there are still Divorces in Israel for Adultary, people go to jail for Theft etc etc.

Therefor, by your own religious Texts, you arent yet due to return to "The Promised Land"... your still Human.

[bigboab]

I think the only way agreement will be reached is if Israel withdraws to the Mandate boundaries and some sort of 'defence' agreement is signed by all concerned.

It has to come. Whether it be next year or next century. America is now being 'nudged' into acceptance along those lines. Too many countries are demanding a settlement.

[tralalala]

[QUOTE=Rat Faced]My sympathies with the families of those involved.

As to religion:

I was on about the despirtion of the tribes throughout the world, and told only to return when you followed ALL of the Commandments.

Last i heard; Thou Shalt Not Kill, is still a Commandment and there are still Divorces in Israel for Adultary, people go to jail for Theft etc etc.

Therefor, by your own religious Texts, you arent yet due to return to "The Promised Land"... your still Human.

Only 10 were sent out of Israel.
2 remained and always did: Judea and Benjamin.
The rest are what are now known as the lost tribes.

And about the other matter: What is your suggestion then?


@BB:
It will come within 2-3 years, my promise