I would like to argue something pretty important to me.

[GepperRankins]

What exactly do you think the average age is over there?

50? 60? I'm guessing it's a wee bit younger, just like in the rest of the world.
(Google says 28, but hey, google can be wrong)

A 48 year old would have been ten years old in 1967. For a majority of all current settlers to have been able to take the decision to actually steal anyone's land, or even live on their own, they'd have had to have been a bit older.

And do you really think that most settlers participated in any military actions against Palestians (assuming their average age is 54-56 or more, which is just about what they'd have to be, to have been in the army or been able to vote), or were part of this zionist agenda of yours?

Also, it was 38 years ago, ffs. Not fucking last year.


In short, think before you post, you tosser.

I never say this internet crap but....

PWNED!!!!!

but he used google

[RioDeLeo]

Right, Rio it seems you are sort of screwing up this topic - flaming for no good reason...

Au Contraire mon ami, someone needs to counter your over the top propaganda.


How can I be a racist? I have Arab friends, black friends from Ethiopia, dark and light friends, what the hell are you talking about? You have no right to call me a racist.

Your attitude towards Palestinians is racist, l don't care how many 'coloured' friends you imagine you have.

You can just about get the hell out of this thread, even the forum because since you've arrived here, things screwed up.

Remember the title of this thread you started >> I would like to argue something pretty important to me. << Well you've got your argument, even though you didn't want one, you just wanted to fool people into believing that you really care what happens to the Palestinians when you quite clearly don't.

So, in this case, I don't think you have much of a say, because you are trying to talk to everyone as a Palestinian person who is suffering badly, which you are not.

You don't have to be Palestinian to abhor Israel's treatment of them, or to stick up for them.

You can't dictate what should happen here, you never will, because you simply do not have a clue, just like American Jews, so please...

l'm not trying to dictate what happens there, l'm just pointing out the illegality and racism endemic within the Israeli populace, of which you're a fine example..

l've been reading back over some of your early posts, l shall bring some of them up another time to show your true attitude towards Palestinians.

[tralalala]

Well, if, and I say IF Israel were racist towards the Palestinians, I don't think there would have been any of them left by now, don't you?

And I am not racist because if I was I'd be writing things like "we need to throw them ***** into the sea", or "they are the ones responsible for our crappy society" and stuff like that.
Did I write something like that? I don't believe I did, so you can stop pointing out wrong things please and thank you.

If anyone, YOU are being racist towards the Israelis, so give us all a break please...

My argument in mind was not having someone talking to me as a racist like the Nazis or the Apartheid in South Africa, but more of someone who can understand the situation here, which you obviously don't.

And once again, we Israelis are not racist, otherwise there would have been no Paelstinians by now........

[tralalala]

What exactly do you think the average age is over there?

50? 60? I'm guessing it's a wee bit younger, just like in the rest of the world.
(Google says 28, but hey, google can be wrong)

A 48 year old would have been ten years old in 1967. For a majority of all current settlers to have been able to take the decision to actually steal anyone's land, or even live on their own, they'd have had to have been a bit older.

My my, you are stupid aren't you? EVERY single person living on occupied land knows the land was stolen, and knows the UN has declared it illegal. The settlements may have started 38 years ago, but they are still going on today. EVERY settlement has armed guards to prevent the true owners from harming the settlers, so they all know what's going on. Hundreds or thousands of new homes are being built right now, walls are going up annexing more land as l type this.

@ Busyman: Grow up.

SnnY aint stupid, he RAWKS!!

The land was not stolen, it was taken over by the Israelis AT WAR TIME - try and get that into your head...
It's funny how you are moaning about Israel and stolen land that belongs only to the Palestinians, but I find it odd you not even saying a word about the Golan heights.. never mind that.

We have armed guards protecting us inside Israel from people wanting to harm us too..........

Houses being built..? you call a crummy caravan which will be removed in 5 minutes a home..? lol your sad.....

The wall is going up to prevent war when the disengagement finishes, and is something no one has questioned seriously, and is in fact a good idea... so get your facts right.
Once again the UN is a joke... they condemned all of the suicide attacks, and do you see them stopping..?

[GepperRankins]

isn't isreal full of arabs? so racism doesn't really come into it

i don't really know like, i just thought as a race they were allowed to live in isreal. just not if they want to make trouble

[tralalala]

Yes, you are right Gepper.

Only more proof that Israel is not a racist country: In the independance scroll that was signed in 1948, it was written that all Arabs present in Israel at the time would receive full citizenship, and would be allowed to vite and get voted.
Anothe example: Israel has Aram MK's (equivalent of an MP in Britain - Member of Knesset).

So, how on earth could Israel be racist..?

[bigboab]

Yes, you are right Gepper.

Only more proof that Israel is not a racist country: In the independance scroll that was signed in 1948, it was written that all Arabs present in Israel at the time would receive full citizenship, and would be allowed to vite and get voted.
Anothe example: Israel has Aram MK's (equivalent of an MP in Britain - Member of Knesset).

So, how on earth could Israel be racist..?

Hi Rafi

I cant remember the exact details, but was there not a law introduced by the Israeli's barring Paslestinians from buying land in the 'Mandated' territory? If I come across the details I will post them.

[RioDeLeo]

The land was not stolen, it was taken over by the Israelis AT WAR TIME - try and get that into your head...

Try to get this into your head, -->> THE ANNEXATION OF LAND OCCUPIED AS THE RESULT OF WAR IS ILLEGAL UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW <<-- Read the United Nations resolutions 242 and 446.

Security Council Resolution 242, Nov. 22, 1967

Calls for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from territories occupied in the war that year and "the acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every state in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."


Security Council Resolution 446, March 22, 1979

"Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East."

It's funny how you are moaning about Israel and stolen land that belongs only to the Palestinians, but I find it odd you not even saying a word about the Golan heights.. never mind that.

This thread has nothing to do with Syria, and l'm surprised that you'd use one crime to justify another.

We have armed guards protecting us inside Israel from people wanting to harm us too..........

Houses being built..? you call a crummy caravan which will be removed in 5 minutes a home..? lol your sad.....

Crummy caravans? Sharon recently announced thet they intend to build 3,650 new housing units in Ma'aleh Adumim alone, and there are around 250 other illegal settlements that want to expand.

The wall is going up to prevent war when the disengagement finishes, and is something no one has questioned seriously, and is in fact a good idea... so get your facts right.

No-one has questioned seriously ... are you serious? Where do you get your information from? Most countries in the world have condemned Israel for the walls they are building, on Palestinian land!


You really do your cause no favours when you come up with crap like this, refuting you is like taking candy from a baby.

[Snee]

What exactly do you think the average age is over there?

50? 60? I'm guessing it's a wee bit younger, just like in the rest of the world.
(Google says 28, but hey, google can be wrong)

A 48 year old would have been ten years old in 1967. For a majority of all current settlers to have been able to take the decision to actually steal anyone's land, or even live on their own, they'd have had to have been a bit older.

My my, you are stupid aren't you? EVERY single person living on occupied land knows the land was stolen, and knows the UN has declared it illegal. The settlements may have started 38 years ago, but they are still going on today. EVERY settlement has armed guards to prevent the true owners from harming the settlers, so they all know what's going on. Hundreds or thousands of new homes are being built right now, walls are going up annexing more land as l type this.

@ Busyman: Grow up.

Excluding the settlements that are considered illegal (ie, all those places that are still being settled today despite the government saying it's a no go), everyone in Israel doesn't know these settlements are illegal, on account of them not being so, in Israel.

What you don't get is that these settlers for the most part are neither living there illegally, nor did they take any part in any illegal actions, according to the laws in the country they live in. Their state apparently does, according to the UN, but that's debateable, as is the authority of the UN in that region.

EVERY settlement has armed guards to protect them from those pesky people with bombs. They all know someone is out to harm them, this much is true.

Do you think anyone, anywhere, would obey the UN, if the UN told them that they had to give away their land to people that considers it honourable to to blow up innocents for something that happened before you, or they, were born?

I'm sure most Palestinians aren't taking part of these murders, but it's the arseholes with the bombs the israeli would feel they were giving in to.


You would move people that have lived and worked in those legal areas for a long time, many of them for their entire lives, you'd steal their homes and every inch of fertile land they've taken from the desert, because the area once was stolen from someone else (and not by the people living there now, mind). It amazes me how you can't grasp this is wrong, especially so with all your talk of theft.

But like I said before, as long as it's people you don't like, then they don't matter, do they?

[tralalala]

Man, it's sad that you actually feel like you are there and need to save Palestine....

The land that was taken over by in the war in Gaza and West Bank is going to be given back... Why do you keep thinking it's not going to happen?

Maale Adumim is not far from Jerusalem, and is a big place like Ariel - it cannot be evacuated.
It's almost like saying if London was originally lets say Scottish (just ofr the example), and 200 years ago the Brits took it over, and now the Scots want it back - how on earth do you think you could possibly evacuate that place!?

Where are the UN resolutions (which mean nothing) that condemned the Nazis... eh? Even if they were, no one took them seriously, because the WERE AT WAR.

Syria - no, Israel took it over to make sure the Syrians stopped killing innocent civilians. Since the Syria has never wanted the place back... Hardly a crime.

The caravans I'm talking about are those being put up bt those nutters in these tiny bits of land (not even a quarter of an acre), and they think it'll stop the disengagement (which it won't).

No one takes these condemnations seriously as they mean nothing. They say it "because everyone else does". That's all... The wall will stop Palestinians from getting into Israel and bombing us after the disengagement. A good idea in my sense.



@BB: Not sure.. try find that info.