I would like to argue something pretty important to me.

[JPaul]

But who "creats" the bombs, and who sets them off? And in what intention?


Yup, Muslims....

You see only one thing, the religion they claim to have.

Are all Catholics terrorist supporters as well.

[GepperRankins]

do you think they represent all muslims? seriously?

the intention is to kill indescriminantly. it's about politics not bigotry

[tralalala]

It's a very difficult thing to argue..

In one sense, yes I agree, it's only a tiny fraction of nutters, which do not reflect the general beleif and co.
But on the other hand, it has been happening too often in the past 5 years, don't you think?

[GepperRankins]

It's a very difficult thing to argue..

In one sense, yes I agree, it's only a tiny fraction of nutters, which do not reflect the general beleif and co.
But on the other hand, it has been happening too often in the past 5 years, don't you think?

so we should have another holocaust? this time go after the muslims?


i'm kinda worried that's where we're heading because i don't see the US leaving the east alone

[lynx]

Rafi, I think you need a little enlightenment about the situation of the settlements in the occupied land. I'll give you one example, but it is typical of what happened all over the West Bank. This was related to me by my uncle (by marriage). I won't reveal his name without his family's permission, so you will have to trust me when I say that he was one of the most respected theologians in the Catholic church.

In the early 1980's my uncle and aunt lived in the outskirts of Jerusalem. Their neighbours on a small but prosperous farm were an old Arab man and his family, who had lived there for more generations than they could remember. One day the old man was approached and offered a pittance for his land, naturally he declined the offer. Almost immediately he was presented with papers from an Israeli court telling him to leave, and that the land had been "proved" to be owned by the person who had madet the offer. The old man had not even had an opportunity to argue his case. The court did not even have proper jurisdiction, but it is impossible to argue with a bunch of soldiers forcing you out at gunpoint.

My point is that this is how much of the land occupied by the West Bank settlers was obtained. You seem to think that "stolen land" was the result of the 6 day war. I think my example shows that the theft actually took place much later, it was not the result of war but of greedy settlers, aided and abetted by corrupt lawyers and judges. It is hardly surprising that the original owners want their land back.

[tralalala]

Most of the land "stolen" was during the 6 day war. Israel quadrupled it's size (seriously!!) by the end of that war.

The example you gave me - I cannot argue, it was wrong to do so.

@Geppe:
No, I am not even thinking of going through another Holocaust, how could you say such a thing?? One is enough for all years before it, until eternity. No one else, no religion, race or anything should or need to go through such sickness, even if there is a good reason for it.

I say we go after the Muslim [b]terrorists[b], get them from the roots (the people who send them and plan it all), and stop it, it's enough already. How many more people need to die before this all gets too far out of hand??

[JPaul]

Lynx,

That seems similar to how a lot of land was stolen, indeed on a lot of occasions the pittance wasn't even offered, they just took what they wanted.

I trust you support the notion that all of it should be given back to it's rightful owners.

[GepperRankins]

Rafi, I think you need a little enlightenment about the situation of the settlements in the occupied land. I'll give you one example, but it is typical of what happened all over the West Bank. This was related to me by my uncle (by marriage). I won't reveal his name without his family's permission, so you will have to trust me when I say that he was one of the most respected theologians in the Catholic church.

In the early 1980's my uncle and aunt lived in the outskirts of Jerusalem. Their neighbours on a small but prosperous farm were an old Arab man and his family, who had lived there for more generations than they could remember. One day the old man was approached and offered a pittance for his land, naturally he declined the offer. Almost immediately he was presented with papers from an Israeli court telling him to leave, and that the land had been "proved" to be owned by the person who had madet the offer. The old man had not even had an opportunity to argue his case. The court did not even have proper jurisdiction, but it is impossible to argue with a bunch of soldiers forcing you out at gunpoint.

My point is that this is how much of the land occupied by the West Bank settlers was obtained. You seem to think that "stolen land" was the result of the 6 day war. I think my example shows that the theft actually took place much later, it was not the result of war but of greedy settlers, aided and abetted by corrupt lawyers and judges. It is hardly surprising that the original owners want their land back.

and if they have nothing left to live for but poverty and oppression. suicide bombing is an easy and glorious way out

[tralalala]

The Gaza strip and most of the West Bank will indeed be given back to the Palestinians... East Jerusalem, as much as the Jews don't particularly need it, will currently not be given back, and probably won't for a long long time.

[GepperRankins]

Most of the land "stolen" was during the 6 day war. Israel quadrupled it's size (seriously!!) by the end of that war.

The example you gave me - I cannot argue, it was wrong to do so.

@Geppe:
No, I am not even thinking of going through another Holocaust, how could you say such a thing?? One is enough for all years before it, until eternity. No one else, no religion, race or anything should or need to go through such sickness, even if there is a good reason for it.

I say we go after the Muslim [b]terrorists[b], get them from the roots (the people who send them and plan it all), and stop it, it's enough already. How many more people need to die before this all gets too far out of hand??

the way to stop it is to stop the causes. IE the west and isreal. we can never stop the terrorists the way we're going about it now unless we lock up every palestinian and sympathiser in the world