I would like to argue something pretty important to me.

[NikkiD]

Well, if that were the case we would have 200 attacks in Israel every year, and that is not the case. We have managed over the last 5 years to reduce it to maybe 1 or 2 a year in the worst case.

It's all precautions for our safety, and it works. That's the important bit - it works.

If it works... then why 1 or 2 a year?

Without armed guards, Canada has managed to limit the number of terrorist bombings to... oh wait, we haven't had a terrorist bombing in like, forever. And we have lots of Arabs. Go figure.

Even in the US and Europe, where there HAVE been terrorist attacks recently, the number of attacks in proportion to the security you propose is ludicrous. An average of say 1-2 attacks per year over 20 odd countries? I'd say we're still pretty safe.

My main point in this thread is that today, not enough security means too much vulnerability. That's all.

You say you're not afraid, however, that statement is completely paranoid. Sounds like fear to me.

[Jon L. Obscene]

Well exactly, cos it IS my opinion, and the funny thing I find about it all is that someone can preach about they're religion, but a man can't give a view against it without being wrong.


Jonno

But you also think they are wrong, it cuts both ways.

I think everyone who disagrees with me is wrong. They are, from my point of view. They equally think I am wrong, because I disagree with them.

The funny thing is that often we are both right, from our own perspective. That's why it's important to try to see things from the other persons point of view.

Even when they are obviously wrong.

I like that, you make sense in a Johnny Vegas kinda way.

I'd like to buy you a pint one day

Jonno

[JPaul]

I would like to drink said pint and return the favour :beerchug:

[Rat Faced]

"A boy doesn't have to go to war to be a hero; he can say he doesn't like pie when he sees there isn't enough to go around."

Edward W. Howe

[JPaul]

"A boy doesn't have to go to war to be a hero; he can say he doesn't like pie when he sees there isn't enough to go around."

Edward W. Howe

Nice one .... what the feck are you talking about.

[Jon L. Obscene]

Ok I've had a read over this thread and I don't think anyone has said it but........this "Armed Guards" on busses thing, I maybe wrong but surely that actually puts a loaded gun in the mix?
Whats to stop someone getting his gun and going on a rampage?

Like sky marshals except it's a lot easier to step on a bus in the street than get on a plane.

A knife in your pocket, step onto bus, dissarm guard by stabbing him, grab gun, shoot people.
So not only do you have the threat of terrorists and bombs, but also random hijackings and shootings with supplied weapons.

Of course I could be wrong but thats how I see it.

Jono

[NikkiD]

Ok I've had a read over this thread and I don't think anyone has said it but........this "Armed Guards" on busses thing, I maybe wrong but surely that actually puts a loaded gun in the mix?
Whats to stop someone getting his gun and going on a rampage?

Like sky marshals except it's a lot easier to step on a bus in the street than get on a plane.

A knife in your pocket, step onto bus, dissarm guard by stabbing him, grab gun, shoot people.
So not only do you have the threat of terrorists and bombs, but also random hijackings and shootings with supplied weapons.

Of course I could be wrong but thats how I see it.

Jono

That's actually a very good point. I'm not sure I feel that the guns would be stolen, but paranoid guards with guns scares me too. Who knows, they might think I look like a terrorist and shoot me.

[Snee]

"A boy doesn't have to go to war to be a hero; he can say he doesn't like pie when he sees there isn't enough to go around."

Edward W. Howe

Nice one .... what the feck are you talking about.

And so the wheel of wtf turns, like the days of our lives.

[JPaul]

Nice one .... what the feck are you talking about.

And so the wheel of wtf turns, like the days of our lives.

At last, some sense.

[Jon L. Obscene]

That's actually a very good point. I'm not sure I feel that the guns would be stolen, but paranoid guards with guns scares me too. Who knows, they might think I look like a terrorist and shoot me.

Funny I was thinking that just as I clicked on to read this
Dammit woman

But yeah a very good point, I mean I've been followed round shops by security cos they thought I looked dodgy or something, so why not shoot me if I'm fiddling with a bag? (no inuendo please )

Jonno