I would like to argue something pretty important to me.

[Busyman]

Well, it must have been some shooting insidence in the West Bank or somethig (serves those maniac settlers right for not moving out of there).

The last major bombing INSIDE Israel was a long time ago, considering the ammount of attacks we've had...

I remember the bombing of some cafe within the past year.

[RioDeLeo]

Their land?

Are you aware of the fact that some of "their land" used to be desert, and pretty much uninhabitable.

The Israelis have, inch by inch, cultivated and otherwise put considerable work into making some of it what it is today.

Not sure there had been as much fuss, had it still been desert.

So if l steal your car and put new tyres on it, l can claim it as mine?

Most of the "desert' is sitting on top of water, aquafers, in total the "desert" they stole contains over 60% of the Palestinian's water, which they sell back to them for many times the price they charge the Jewish settlers.

Stealing land is srealing, and illegal under international law, it makes not one iota of difference if it's desert or rainforest.

[Busyman]

Their land?

Are you aware of the fact that some of "their land" used to be desert, and pretty much uninhabitable.

The Israelis have, inch by inch, cultivated and otherwise put considerable work into making some of it what it is today.

Not sure there had been as much fuss, had it still been desert.

So if l steal your car and put new tyres on it, l can claim it as mine?

Most of the "desert' is sitting on top of water, aquafers, in total the "desert" they stole contains over 60% of the Palestinian's water, which they sell back to them for many times the price they charge the Jewish settlers.

Stealing land is srealing, and illegal under international law, it makes not one iota of difference if it's desert or rainforest.

Did Britain steal land from American Indians? Did the USA?

Did we steal America from Britain?

Did Britain steal land from countless others.

[tralalala]

@Busyman: Yeah, the bombing at "The Stage" club// it was almost a year ago

@Rio: You don't seem to want to listen to anyone do you..

First off, the water in that aquafer is pollouted, and has been for a very long time (yes, by the Palestinians that live above it). So I don't think bad water will do them much good don't you?

And second: Once again, for maybe the tenth time - Israel was at war with 3 different countries, we managed to not only win the war, but also capture the land you are talking about - that is what war does, people take lands and lose lands.
An example - World War 1... (Versay agreements tell you anything?).
So, Israel wins a war, wins land, and cultivates parts of it. You can't give back ALL of the cultivated land 40 years later, that is ludicrouse.
That is why Israel is offering the southern part of the West Bank to seal the deal, and I don't see why that should matter.. the Aquafer is under both areas, both areas a deserts, and, ummm, the only difference is the peoplesthat live there.

[RioDeLeo]

Open a history book, it won't hurt....

Take your own advice kid, something other than Israeli ones. Study UN resolutions Israel has ignored over the years while you're at it.

Your attitude, which l find quite typical, is a sympton of all that is wrong in your country. Your air of superiority is sickening.

[RioDeLeo]

@Rio: You don't seem to want to listen to anyone do you..

First off, the water in that aquafer is pollouted, and has been for a very long time (yes, by the Palestinians that live above it). So I don't think bad water will do them much good don't you?

And second: Once again, for maybe the tenth time - Israel was at war with 3 different countries, we managed to not only win the war, but also capture the land you are talking about - that is what war does, people take lands and lose lands.
An example - World War 1... (Versay agreements tell you anything?).
So, Israel wins a war, wins land, and cultivates parts of it. You can't give back ALL of the cultivated land 40 years later, that is ludicrouse.
That is why Israel is offering the southern part of the West Bank to seal the deal, and I don't see why that should matter.. the Aquafer is under both areas, both areas a deserts, and, ummm, the only difference is the peoplesthat live there.

l'm sick of listening to you Rafi, or whatever your name is, you talk nothing but bullshit Israeli propaganda. Where you get crap like that about the aquafer water is beyond me, l don't think you're intelligent enough to make that crap up, so someone is probably pumping it into you. l just hope this gets cleared up one way or the other so people like you can settle down and stay where you are.

[RioDeLeo]

Did Britain steal land from American Indians? Did the USA?

Did we steal America from Britain?

Did Britain steal land from countless others.

Is this going anywhere?

[Busyman]

Did Britain steal land from American Indians? Did the USA?

Did we steal America from Britain?

Did Britain steal land from countless others.

Is this going anywhere?

I don't know. Is it?

You probably can look under your own feet and see stolen land.

[Barbarossa]

Kudos to the Nederlanders...

They build new land out of the sea !

[Snee]

Their land?

Are you aware of the fact that some of "their land" used to be desert, and pretty much uninhabitable.

The Israelis have, inch by inch, cultivated and otherwise put considerable work into making some of it what it is today.

Not sure there had been as much fuss, had it still been desert.

So if l steal your car and put new tyres on it, l can claim it as mine?

Most of the "desert' is sitting on top of water, aquafers, in total the "desert" they stole contains over 60% of the Palestinian's water, which they sell back to them for many times the price they charge the Jewish settlers.

Stealing land is srealing, and illegal under international law, it makes not one iota of difference if it's desert or rainforest.

It's nothing like stealing a car.

First of all, as tralala says, legally it was conquest. War-time rules and all that.

And the civilians involved today aren't responsible for driving anyone off, for the most part, as far as they are concerned, they (or rather their grandparents and parents) settled empty areas.
(Not counting illegal settlements of course, which is a whole 'nother thing, and not condoned by everyone in israel.)

Second of all, the aquifers you mention stretch past Israeli territory (I think). I'm fairly certain it would be possible to drill down from Palestinian territory.

But Israel does oppose that on some fairly dodgy grounds (one being that the palestinians don't have the resources to preserve the integrity of the aquifers and thus would be risking mixing saltwater in the freshwater), this is true.



But yes, it is about water more than it's about land. For the governments involved (the nutters with the bombs probably don't get exactly what they are fighting for). The definition of what is their land is pretty fluid. What water they are entitled to is more concrete, though. All the water they need, perhaps. If I'm not mistaken Israel is, on directions from the UN, supposed to compensate Palestine for water lost, how far they are complying with this today, I'm not sure of, though.

Also, there's a considerable cost involved in drilling down and extracting the water safely, it could be that Palestine can't afford it. Of course, if they could claim back "their land", they'd have pre-built Israeli installations paid for by Israel. And wouldn't that be practical.