I would like to argue something pretty important to me.

[JPaul]

What's The Club? It's another forum aint it? Man, it's been to bloody long since I was last this active on FST......

Rafi,

Sorry, I thought I said.

It's Billy's forum, where he posts stuff like this.

l'd just love to see Israel destroyed, maybe their god will come back and do to them what he has done many times in their history. Israel is a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. The Nazis certainly taught them well, there's nothing like a practical demonstration to get the message across. l dread to think what the place would be like today if six million of them weren't killed, they'd be waging war across the whole Middle East.

[tralalala]

Right JPaul, you did say that before.... It must have been one of those late nights I wasn't paying attention to half of what you wrote.... Never mind, things like that happen...

[JPaul]

Right JPaul, you did say that before.... It must have been one of those late nights I wasn't paying attention to half of what you wrote.... Never mind, things like that happen...

You read as much as half of what I post.

Feck, that's more than I read.

[tralalala]

LMAO

[RioDeLeo]

Sponsored by the Joint Program for Jewish Education of the State of Israel, the Jewish Agency for Israel and the World Zionist Organization.

Now I know you are Anti-Semetic...... :dull:

Took you long enough to drag that up! Anyone who doesn't agree with you is anti semitic are they? Well that's fine.


Now, even I have decided to go off topic for a moment.



Rio,
Since you have arrived to this thread, you have done nothing but flame and spam for no good cause.

Crap, what l've done is expose your lies and bullshit.

You insult members posting their opinions, even if they are the same as yours in some sense.

More crap, your gay friends attacked me, check JPaul's posts, he contributes nothing but spam and trolling, or smartarse Manker, the resident alcoholic who pops in now and then and posts unintelligible crap.

I think it sad that someone farely new to the forum decides to kick-start his forum posts with flames... Your way to the bannage isn't far now..... (well, at least if you keep this up).

So you're going to ban me?


You said I talk crap. Do I? Have you any ISRAELI sources to contradict what I wrote? Nope, only Arab/Muslim ones. That's the easy way to play. Write something Anti-Israeli and about how bad we are etc. And I will soon find an Israeli source saying you are completely wrong.

Well of course you will, all your sources are Israeli, the same ones used to brainwash you.

You see Rio, this is a DISCUSSION forum, not a flaming forum. This here is the seriouse discussion forum, and although you are new and all of that, I still think you have much to learn about online communities and how they work.

How old are you .. 14? l've been on the internet and using bulletin boards and forums since before you were born!

I started this thread out of my own interest, fine, leave it. You saw things weren't going your way and started flaming, just like a little boy who can't get a new car to play with, he will get into a huff for a while, pissing everyone off with tantrums.

Go read your own post sonny, every single thing you have come up with, someone has proved you wrong. You are the one who started the crap, not me. Even your gay mates haven't defended your points, except SnnY, and he admitted he was wrong, and that he only argued for the sake of it.

So, if you still feel like you want to post here, post properly, no flames, even if it's hard for you.

You mean l shouldn't point out the lies you post?

If not, the door (or the link rather) to another page is just above... you are welcome to use it.

As are you.

Rafi

Yup, checked it out completely. Just like anyone could have done. It was so obviously false, the only possible reason you could have done it was to disrupt this thread.

Checked what out, when? What was it l did? Apart from exposing you that is.

Oh, I must have dreamt what you said about israelis then, and I must have missed when you proved us all wrong and showed us that your links weren't crap and lies.

All l've ever done is ask you to mention something in particular, but you won't, it's all "Zionist crap" " Israeli crap" and other generalisations, you really have nothing to say, you just argue for the sake of it, as you said. If you were really after clarification you would point out what it was you disagreed with, and then give your view, but you've never done that, preferring to troll instead.

[manker]

I thought you said that JP was the alcoholic and I was the smackhead.

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A point I would like to make about this thread is that due to the nature of the conflict, it is very difficult to defend one of the sides absolutely. Rafi is clearly attempting to do this but falls short because some of the Israeli tactics are, and have been, completely abhorrent. Billy is just attacking the Israelis, which is a pretty easy thing to do. I imagine that defending the Palestinian tactics is a much more difficult job, which he hasn't been asked to do.

Further, in trying to counter the Israeli occupation, as they see it, some Palestinians have repeatedly resorted to calculated murder of Israeli civillians.

I can honestly say that I feel sympathy and fury with both groups and find it impossible to come down favourably on one side or the other. Both have been wronged and both have commited outrageous acts of inhumanity.

My point here is that it is easy to stand off and pick holes in either side. As many have done here with Rafi's and subsequently SnnY's points. Sure, some of the land was aquired illegally, under international law, by the Israelis but relocating an entire nation is not an option. Yes, the Israelis have made habitable vast swathes of land that was previously desert and it would appear unfair to give this up. However, concessions have to be made.

What one needs to do, in my opinion, is not be blind to the failings of the side you favour and understand that any compromise is going to involve clauses which you would find completely unpalatable.

This goes to Rafi just as much as Billy.

[Snee]

Go read your own post sonny, every single thing you have come up with, someone has proved you wrong. You are the one who started the crap, not me. Even your gay mates haven't defended your points, except SnnY, and he admitted he was wrong, and that he only argued for the sake of it.

Ah the world you live in must be a very different place.

I admitted I was wrong about one thing, just one thing. Most of what I said still stands.

"Argued for the sake of it" that would be what you are doing, too bad (for you) that your vile opinions shine through when you attempt to do the serious debate thing, and that all you manage to do now is come off as a sore loser.

All l've ever done is ask you to mention something in particular, but you won't, it's all "Zionist crap" " Israeli crap" and other generalisations, you really have nothing to say, you just argue for the sake of it, as you said. If you were really after clarification you would point out what it was you disagreed with, and then give your view, but you've never done that, preferring to troll instead.

But I have pointed out things particular, like the fact that you are using lies and inaccuracies, sites made by people who share your opinion, not sites containing accurate facts, to support your accusations.

Or the fact that you so very obviously refuse to accept that israelis aren't villains. You have, after all, called them thieves, said that they are out to steal all the arabs' land, called them brainwashed, and used the word israeli as an insult.

So, I have pointed out things in particular, and I'm not the only one, you just refuse to accept that.

[lynx]

Yup, checked it out completely. Just like anyone could have done. It was so obviously false, the only possible reason you could have done it was to disrupt this thread.

Checked what out, when? What was it l did? Apart from exposing you that is.

Is it your reading skills which are fading?

YOU posted a site claiming it was supported by Zionist organisations.
YOU claimed I hadn't shecked it out when I called you on it.

Now you claim you've exposed ME?

Do you have a goldfish by any chance, I think you could do with some advice on how to prolong your attention span.

[RioDeLeo]

Is it your reading skills which are fading?

YOU posted a site claiming it was supported by Zionist organisations.

Are you talking about this site >> Homeward Bound? << ??
Let me quote from the site ..
Stephanie Glick
Supervisor of Academic Affairs
Jewish University in CyberspacE
Student and Academic Department
World Zionist Organization
And from the bottom of the page ..
Sponsored by the Joint Program for Jewish Education of the State of Israel,
the Jewish Agency for Israel and the World Zionist Organization.
The site itself is a history of Zionism using the resources of the Central Zionist Archives.

YOU claimed I hadn't shecked it out when I called you on it.

Now you claim you've exposed ME?
l exposed you for twisting my words to make it look like l was saying something l didn't.

Do you have a goldfish by any chance, I think you could do with some advice on how to prolong your attention span.

[RioDeLeo]

I thought you said that JP was the alcoholic and I was the smackhead.

l was stoned, a simple mistake, l apologize.

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What one needs to do, in my opinion, is not be blind to the failings of the side you favour and understand that any compromise is going to involve clauses which you would find completely unpalatable.

This goes to Rafi just as much as Billy.

l completely agree, and if you check you will see l said atrocities have been commited by both sides, and that both sides have links to terrorism. However, the main gist of this thread has been a series of offhand remarks from Rafi, such as Syria doesn't want the Golan Heights back, and a 5 year old murder of a child is irrelevant, that the Arabs started the 1967 war, that land taken in a war belongs to the victor .. and many more remarks. So it isn't easy to break away from answering these things and strive to be neutral, which l openly admit l'm not, l favour Palestininians because l believe they are the ones who need the greatest consideration.