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    Suicide bombers.

    I don't get it.

    I mean these guys blow themselves up with the belief that they are going to a better place. Last time I heard, no bible (or whatever you wanna call it) states that you kill a shitload of people (innocent people) and you will go to the promise land. In actual fact I always thought it was a worldwide recognition that if you do good you go to heaven (or whatever version you believe in), if you're bad you go to hell.

    Have I missed something somewhere?

    I simply don't get it, please enlighten me.

    Or is it simply that these people are just stupid?

    Jonno

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    In Islam, martyrdom gives you a direct access to Heaven (no time to spend in Purgatory), allows you to see Allah's face, guarantees the access to Heaven of 70 of your loved ones and 72 virgins to serve you for all eternity.

    In Arabic, a martyr is termed "shahid" (literally, "witness"). The concept of the shahid is discussed in the Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad; the term recurs frequently in the Qur'an, but usually with its literal meaning of "witness". The first martyr in Islam was the old woman Sumaya bint Khabbat, the first Muslim to die at the hands of the polytheists of Mecca (specifically, Abu Jahl). A famous person widely regarded as a martyr - indeed, an archetypical martyr for the Shia - is Husayn bin Ali, who died at the hands of the forces of the caliph Yazid I at Karbala. The Shia commemorate this event each year at Aashurah.

    Muslims who die in a legitimate jihad bis saif (struggle with the sword, or Islamic holy war) are typically considered shahid. This usage became controversial in the late 20th century, when (due to the Islamic strictures against suicide) it began to be applied to suicide bombers, e.g. those belonging to Islamist and Palestinian nationalist groups, whose victims often included civilians.
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    Where teh fook do all the virgins come from, and do they keep being virgins for all eternity, that's what I'd like to know.

    And does it say how they look, or what gender they are?



    Imagine going to heaven and finding all of gameworld waiting for you
    That'd explain why they keep being virgins, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnnY
    Where teh fook do all the virgins come from, and do they keep being virgins for all eternity, that's what I'd like to know.

    And does it say how they look, or what gender they are?



    Imagine going to heaven and finding all of gameworld waiting for you
    That'd explain why they keep being virgins, I suppose.
    Fun, but inaccurate. I should have said 72 houri.

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    So basically it does get you into heaven by murdering innocent people.

    I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guillaume
    Quote Originally Posted by SnnY
    Where teh fook do all the virgins come from, and do they keep being virgins for all eternity, that's what I'd like to know.

    And does it say how they look, or what gender they are?



    Imagine going to heaven and finding all of gameworld waiting for you
    That'd explain why they keep being virgins, I suppose.
    Fun, but inaccurate. I should have said 72 houri.
    That sucks.

    My version would have been more in line with what they deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon L. Obscene
    So basically it does get you into heaven by murdering innocent people.
    No, sacrificing your life in the service of God does.

    Problem is, what precisely constitutes serving God?
    The Qu'ran and all the other books containing the Word of God are imprecise or fragmentary enough too allow every madman or remorseless politician/wannabe conqueror to twist it as he desires.

    edit: I'm not satisfied with this reply, but it's the best least bad I can do tonight. Maybe someone else will be better at explaining this.
    Last edited by Guillaume; 07-13-2005 at 11:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnnY
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillaume

    Fun, but inaccurate. I should have said 72 houri.
    That sucks.

    My version would have been more in line with what they deserve.
    It will really piss them off if they discover it is is a 'juicy fruit' alright, but they aint quite the 72 sultana they were expecting in paradise!






    I'll erm.....yes.......coat anyone?
    Last edited by sArA; 07-13-2005 at 11:24 PM.

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    The Koran specifically forbids suicide.

    They supposedly get around this by dying ritually beforehand, so that at the time of their act they are already "dead" so it isn't suicide.

    Somehow, I doubt God would be quite so easily fooled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lynx
    The Koran specifically forbids suicide.

    They supposedly get around this by dying ritually beforehand, so that at the time of their act they are already "dead" so it isn't suicide.

    Somehow, I doubt God would be quite so easily fooled.
    Why does he not 'step in' and stop it then? It would save all those innocent lives and make a lot more people turn to religion.
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