death sentence in the uk?

[bigboab]

It has got us to the state that the taking of another life is just another crime. You would get more years in jail for robbing a train.

i doubt that's how criminals see it and i doubt it has any effect on crime figures

So you actually have doubts then? You'll get thrown out the Drawing Room.

[JPaul]

where?


i don't see how executing a man because there is no reasonable doubt is gonna help society, neither do i see how executing a man who is no doubt guilty can forward society

It has got us to the state that the taking of another life is just another crime. You would get more years in jail for robbing a train.

There we agree.

Crimes against people seem to be taken less seriously than crimes against property. That is also wrong and should be redressed.

[GepperRankins]

crimes against rich peoples property. like boab pointed out before, if your house is burgled there's not much point in reporting it

[Rat Faced]

Just about anyone is capable of taking someone elses life.

Most of those that say they arent, are naive or stupid..


Millions of years of evolution have not removed instinct, they just cover it over and let us use reason and justification to help do this. This is why the reasons for "murder" are looked at so closely by Judges before any punishment is given out.

It takes time for armies to train civilised people to kill, and 99.9% of those bullets fired are wasted in firefights by lots of scared shitless men/kids. Many of the soldiers never ever kill anyone, even in battles. And this is while the blood is hot and you dont have time to think...


Anyone that can take anothers life in cold blood; whether they are a psychopath or someone carrying out an execution, to me, are equally guilty of being "Of Unsound Mind".

Both can allow baser instincts to overcome reason on-call, and as such are both a danger to a civilized society.


Those that can kill someone diliberatly and cooly, then justify it to themselves scare me the most.

I'd rather have a pint with a murderer that does not try and justify what he did, than with an employed executioner any day of the week.

[vidcc]

@ rat

I am fine if people disagree with the death penalty but I have to say your last sentence is a little twisted.

As to not justifying themselves I don't think that is possible.... even if they say they did it "because they could" they are making a justification to themselves. The flimsiness doesn't matter.

Perhaps you are thinking of someone that "repents" and admit they were wrong to do it. But that is an after thought. If they thought it was wrong they wouldn't have done it in the first place.

Either way preferring to drink with someone that killed an innocent person over one that killed a guilty one after a fair trial....

[GepperRankins]

i agree with rat faced. i was gonna post the same before but didn't.


if you can plan then kill a defensless person on a schedule, there's something wrong with you.

[lyric101]

Am I the only one who sees talk of the death sentance foe would be SUICIDE bombers ironic? Surely death is what they wanted? Why give it to them? Why reduce ourselves to their level? The UK will not bring back the death sentance, ever, regardless of the crimes perpetrated upon her

[GepperRankins]

Am I the only one who sees talk of the death sentance foe would be SUICIDE bombers ironic? Surely death is what they wanted? Why give it to them? Why reduce ourselves to their level? The UK will not bring back the death sentance, ever, regardless of the crimes perpetrated upon her

we kinda went over that already but it got ignored because it pwned the pro murder people

[vidcc]

i agree with rat faced. i was gonna post the same before but didn't.


if you can plan then kill a defensless person on a schedule, there's something wrong with you.

I disagree. If you can plan then kill an innocent person on a schedule, there's something wrong with you.

I see it this way:

These people obviously see nothing ethically wrong with killing innocent people themselves so logically they see no ethical reason to not have the death penalty....... after all, to them killing is ok.

[99%]

according to one of the religions - everyone is guilty until proven innocent and only god can judge you, and he will on a certain date - all peoples (heaven / hell-you decide)
According to another religion there is a list of something like 10034 (not sure) people who will go to heaven (innocent)
According to another one your next life will get worse if you have been naughty or better if you have worked out the code.

No religion condones the the taking of an innocent life
- but whom is truelly innocent in the eye of allseer

The dudes who fired the hiroshima bomb are innocent or guilty? He (and all those in chain of command) who told them to do it is innocent or guilty? or was it merely a trendy and cool thing to do at the time?

Death is too easy - lifelong punishment is a better form of "payback".