2nd amendment V private comapny

[JPaul]

That depends on what the company does.

Why?

Because there may be a specific law regarding what employess may do.

[JPaul]

When did parents go to jail because their children were late for a class.

How often does that happen.

haha. you don't even know

Fair point, I can't argue with imbecility.

Fortunately I seldom, if ever feel compelled to.

[lynx]

JP, you complain about things that went out with the 19C, yet you seem to think that restrictive union practices which we disposed of over 20 years ago are still in effect. Hardie is dead and buried, but I doubt if he would have agreed with the distorted views put forward in his name.

You may not have noticed, but this is the 21st Century. Companies have rights too. It's their land, if they say that certain items aren't allowed on their property, it is their right to say so.

I can't help thinking that the NRA are on a loser with this one.

[JPaul]

restrictive union practices which we disposed of over 20 years ago are still in effect.

Really, who are "we", just so I know who I am talking to.

Hardie is indeed dead and buried, however some of us "left wingers" still hold certain things to be true. That the wealth belongs to those who make it, not to those who "own" the land, thro' inheritance.

Companies cannot make policies which over-ride the laws made by an elected Government. That's how democracy works, one man, one vote. That's what "we" fought and died for. "You" couldn't dispose of it then and you can't dispose of it now.

[Busyman]

Why?

Because there may be a specific law regarding what employess may do.

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[lynx]

restrictive union practices which we disposed of over 20 years ago are still in effect.

Really, who are "we", just so I know who I am talking to.

Hardie is indeed dead and buried, however some of us "left wingers" still hold certain things to be true. That the wealth belongs to those who make it, not to those who "own" the land, thro' inheritance.

Companies cannot make policies which over-ride the laws made by an elected Government. That's how democracy works, one man, one vote. That's what "we" fought and died for. "You" couldn't dispose of it then and you can't dispose of it now.

Ah, you haven't noticed.

Communism is dead. Like the minds of those who believed in it.

[vidcc]

WASHINGTON, Aug. 2 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following was released today by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence:

Your co-worker is acting strangely again, and the NRA wants him to have his gun close by.

It was only a matter of time. The National Rifle Association thinks every employer in America should be required by law to allow workers to bring guns into the workplace, and the group's leader announced this week it will work to get state laws passed to ensure it. It doesn't matter if there are day care centers in the office, or hazardous materials: Workers, the group says, should have a Constitutional right to be armed. And they've added a boycott campaign of one business that has argued in court in the state of Oklahoma that it should have the right to ban firearms from the workplace.

"Is there no end to this?" asked Michael D. Barnes, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "In state after state, the NRA has lobbied for the right to bring hidden, loaded handguns into churches, schools and bars -- and now even chemical plants. Is there any place in America where we shouldn't allow firearms?"

Specifically, the NRA has targeted petroleum company ConocoPhillips. A press release says the NRA will "spare no effort or expense ... Across the country, we're going to make ConocoPhillips the example of what happens when a corporation takes away your Second Amendment rights," NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre said.

Is a company that prohibits guns in the workplace anti-gun? That's ridiculous. Companies bar guns from the workplace to protect the safety of workers and customers, to keep control over the security of their premises, and to prohibit behavior by potentially dangerous employees who threaten or intimidate other employees.

"America has seen terrible, deadly incidents arise when disturbed individuals bring guns into the office," Barnes said. "It is simply common sense that when a manager is faced with a situation where a troubled individual is showing the warning signs of danger, that manager should have the right, on private property, to make it clear that the firearms should be left home. The NRA says this is about individual rights, and we agree: It's about the individual rights of the majority of the individuals at work to have some level of assurance that they won't be shot."

Summaries of a few of the many incidents of workplace violence involving firearms follow.

-- At a Lockheed Martin assembly plant in Meridian, Miss. on July 9, 2003, "a white factory worker described as a menacing racist went on a murderous rampage, shooting four blacks and one white dead before killing himself. Dozens of employees at the aircraft parts plant frantically ran for cover after the gunman, dressed in a black T-shirt and camouflage pants, opened fire with a shotgun and a semi-automatic rifle during a morning break." Nine others were injured, including one critically, in the United States' deadliest workplace shooting in 2 1/2 years. "Authorities identified the shooter as Doug Williams, a man some employees described as a 'racist' who didn't like blacks. 'When I first heard about it, he was the first thing that came to my mind,' said Jim Payton, a retired plant employee who worked with Williams for about a year. He said Williams had talked about wanting to kill people. 'I'm capable of doing it,' Payton quoted Williams as saying." (Quoted material from the Associated Press.)

-- In Kansas City in July of last year, a 21-year-old worker at a meatpacking plant killed five people and wounded two others before killing himself. "Elijah Brown's co-workers always had a hard time making sense of him," MSNBC reported. "He paced, he talked to himself, he got bothered over teasing that wouldn't faze other people ... Police did not offer a motive for Friday's 10-minute rampage, but said there appeared to be nothing random about the killings at the Kansas City, Kan., ConAgra Foods Inc. plant. They said he passed by some co-workers, telling them, 'You haven't done anything to me, so you can go.' 'This person acted with purpose, he knew exactly what he was doing,' Police Chief Ron Miller said."

-- In July 2003, a Jefferson City, Mo., factory worker "was close to being fired for missing work too much before he pulled a gun in the middle of the plant floor and killed three co-workers, authorities said. Jonathon Russell, 25, later committed suicide in a gun battle with police outside the police station, investigators said. Investigators said he may have targeted certain people in the rampage, which followed a shift change at the industrial-radiator factory late Tuesday. Police said Russell had been accumulating work demerits stemming from his absences at Modine Manufacturing Co. and was facing the possible breakup of a romantic relationship. Two co-workers died along the manufacturing line where Russell had worked for two years. A supervisor, shot 50 feet away, died on the way to the hospital. Five other employees were wounded; their conditions ranged from good to critical." (Associated Press.)

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There were 164 workplace shootings in the United States between 1994 and 2003, in which 290 people were killed and 161 were wounded.

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[GepperRankins]

JP, you complain about things that went out with the 19C, yet you seem to think that restrictive union practices which we disposed of over 20 years ago are still in effect. Hardie is dead and buried, but I doubt if he would have agreed with the distorted views put forward in his name.

You may not have noticed, but this is the 21st Century. Companies have rights too. It's their land, if they say that certain items aren't allowed on their property, it is their right to say so.

I can't help thinking that the NRA are on a loser with this one.

Ah, I am well and truly torn...

My gut tells me to agree with JP 'cuz lynx's head is normally in his wazoo, and he will go to any lengths to disagree with me, but alas, the hat is on the other foot, here.

The employer makes the rules, period, and I must agree with lynx.

May God forgive me.

and me

[whypikonme]

It's disingenuous to draw parallels between Keir Hardie and this company rule, as Lynx asserted, Hardie would have no sympathy for your view, he had far more pressing things on his mind.

At the age of eight Hardie became a baker's delivery boy. Hardie had to work for twelve and a half hours a day and for his labours received 3s. 6d. a week. With his step-father unemployed, and his mother pregnant, Hardie was the only wage-earner in the family.

In January, 1866, Hardie's younger brother was dying and after spending most of the night looking after him, he arrived late for work. His employer sacked him and also fined him a week's wages as a punishment for his unpunctuality.

Hardie argued that people earning more than a £1,000 a year should pay a higher rate of income-tax. Hardie believed this extra revenue should be used to provide old age pensions and free schooling for the working class.

Worrying about guns in car parks, l don't think so!

[RPerry]

I wouldn't even bother agruing what is, and what isn't in the company rules. Its not like they are trying to be a dictatorship. This particualr rule is for the saftey of everyone. Shootings in the workplace seem to have been on the rise, and its the managements obligation to keep the workers safe

Really though, I have not worked for anyone who searches cars, so if someone is terminated for having one, they were stupid and were seen with it. Also, don't know about yours, but my workplace doesn't have metal detectors either, so in reality, there is nothing to prevent someone walking into the building with one This is one of those policy's that is meant to make people feel safe, but actually doesn't do a thing