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    But fuck the mass media it’s lame like leprosy// it’s faker then a fame seeking celebrity// just turn the news off it’s just bs Government propaganda complicity// here’s one thing they don’t talk about, it was covered up instantly// it’s not given any air-time although the government say “it’s collapse is a mystery”// Cus it was hit by no plane// but at 5:20pm still fell all the same// 6.5 seconds straight down playing gravity, like it's a game// the 47 story collapse of WTC 7 is the name// to this lil rhyme that’s got no ticket to fame// cus the mass media has been locked down all the same// by the Bush-government who can not take the blame// cus that would be un-patriotic for a county that’s vain// despite the fact that the building had a CIA domain// with bullet proof windows on two floors// internal air and water supply, Iris scan doors// a sophisticated building with really no engineering flaws//
    (WTC7)
    [color=blue]The truth is 9/11 was a messy inside job, they fucked up at every stage// like the wrong house busted in a police drug raid// with clues literally littered everywhere like a ticker-tape parade// but the propaganda so skilfully conducted using the power the media has to persuade// switching the peoples attention to fanatical Islamists like a mixer cross-fade!
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    In the Omen, Damian was sheperded through by people who knew who he was. The same with Rosemary's Baby.
    Damien was in Rosemary's Baby?
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    Ok, this is to all of the people who still believe 9/11 was the work of 19 Arabic Hijackers and an operation entirely masterminded by Osama Bin Laden, mainly because he hates our freedom’s and disagrees with American Liberalism. Despite all of their hard work, the United States Government simply could not see the attack coming.

    When one considers all of the hardcore facts, there is no way this excuse holds even a grain of truth in it. The official story is impossible and simply does not stand up to scrutiny. Even more laughable is the excuse given by government officials that it was simply a "failure of intelligence" and the attack could not be averted. Politicians should not even form their mouths to even use an incompetence excuse. Warnings were received by the US by at least 18 other countries, and agents in the CIA, and the FBI were warned. The FAA got warnings too. In fact,

    Prior Knowledge:

    CIA had high-jacker details
    Taliban warned the US of huge attack
    FBI warned of plot to high-jack planes in 1995
    FBI warned of Suspicious flight student last yearCIA ignorned warnings of Al-Queda
    US knew of Suicide highjack threat in 1995
    The airlift of evil
    Threat of US attacks passed Taliban weeks before the attacks
    US clamps secrecy on attacks before 911


    It seems that there were so many warnings, that


    "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defence of incompetence." Micheal Meacher, Tony Blairs former environmental advisor until 2003. London Guardian

    In addition to these Government officials and other people received individuals warnings as well. Mayor Willie Brown of San Francisco was warned a full eight hours before the attack not to fly on 911, author Salmon Rushdie was publicly banned from flying before 911, and John Ashcroft former Attorney General stopped flying commercially six months before 911. Even some people working inside of the towers got instant messages, telling them to evacuate the WTC.

    We must ask ourselves, where did all this prior knowledge come from, and why was it all ignored? Is it possible for that this much information of this magnitude of importance to get tangled up in a beaurecratic web of telephone lines? The answer is NO, people in side of the Trade Towers got INSTANT MESSAGES telling them the buildings were going to be destroyed two hours before it happened. You’re going to tell me someone can get an INSTANT MESSAGE to someone inside the World Trade Center two hours before the attack, but no one can get the message to the President of the United States? Impossible, this is the equivalent to saying people who work in the WTC have access to better inteligence than the president does. Someone calls up calls Mayor Willie Brown eight hours before the attack, and tells him not to fly, BUT THEY CAN'T CONTACT THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLERS AND WARN THEM AHEAD OF TIME?!??!

    Sources:

    Odigo Says Workers Were Warned of the Attack
    San Francisco Chronicle - Mayor Willie Brown got Low-Key Warning about Air Travel
    The Truth Seeker-Condi Lisa Rice Warned Willie Brown and Told him not to fly on 911
    CBS News - Ashcroft Flying High


    In addition there are over 600 smoking gun holes and unanswered questions in the official story of 911; I'm only going to scratch the surface, w/ some of the main ones.

    First thing is the NORAD stand down order.

    "The first hijacking was suspected at not later than 8.20am, and the last hijacked aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania at 10.06am. Not a single fighter plane was scrambled to investigate from the US Andrews airforce base, just 10 miles from Washington DC, until after the third plane had hit the Pentagon at 9.38 am. Why not? There were standard FAA intercept procedures for hijacked aircraft before 9/11. Between September 2000 and June 2001 the US military launched fighter aircraft on 67 occasions to chase suspicious aircraft" (AP, August 13 2002)
    guardian, once again

    NORAD completely stood down, this is a clear violation of FAA flight regulations, and NORAD could have probably stopped the attack, at least partially. The morning of 911 NORAD was training in a war game of flying hijacked aircrafts into buildings ON the Morning of 911. On the Morning of 911??!?! Yep, the drill stopped just 50 minutes before the Hi-Jacking began. No wonder there was no Military Response, NORAD was told that the planes being Hijacked were just part of a drill. That's why they stood down.

    What are the chances of this happening? It's just a coincidence that they were running a war-game drill, mirroring the same monumental event to be documented in history books for centuries? Of course it’s possible, but very VERY unlikely.

    This is so weird to have happened, and even weirder is the fact that this type of a wargame is going on the morning of 911. This type of event would be simmilar to seeing Oswald and the CIA training how to kill Kennedy in Dealy Plaza an hour before it happened.

    Yahoo News - Agency planned exercise on Sept. 11 built around a plane crashing into a building
    USA Today - NORAD has drills to use jets as weapons
    Associated Press - Exercise built around crashing planes into buildings



    In addition, the list of the 19 hijackers and their picture identification was assembled and aired just hours after the attack. How do we jump to the accusations that 19 suspects are guilty of 3,000 American murders when most, if not all of the evidence, is twisted metal and degenerated ashes that used to be people? Actually by the time the hijackers had their mug shots aired on TV, all of the crime scenes had been destroyed. Buildings one and two collapsed, as well as the mysterious building seven collapsing on its own, the plane that hit the pentagon decentegrated, and flight 93 was likely shot down, hours later we miraculously post all of their mug shots on the news? Damn, we must be good.

    So how exactly did the United States leap to their allegations of guilt?

    A travel bag belonging to one of the 911 hijackers was found at the airport after the attacks, absolutely ruling beyond any doubt, that this was the work of Al-Queda.

    Question: Why would a hijacker, planning to commit suicide, even BRING A BAG? Let alone pack it w/ incriminating evidence sure to unleash a fire storm of military hell on all of his fellow Mid Eastern people? The bag contained enough evidences to precisely tie the perpetrators to the Taliban and Al-Queda justify the assault in Afghanistan.


    Answer: this is MANUFACTURED EVIDENCE


    Now BBC has began running stories that many of these men have shown up as being still alive. The 911 Hijackers steal our planes to suicide attack us because were apparently not in sync with what the Qu'ran says, and then they show up still being alive. So that means that at least five of the men on the hi-jackers list cannot be the same men who were on the plane. But the government has stuck to their official story on this, and no one in the mainstream media has ever brought this up, or challenged them on it. Many of the hijackers are now appearing on television in their countries and professing their innocence. A lot of information like this has been circulating around other parts of the world, and it is likely part of the reason why America's image has dropped from negative to terrible. Most people in other countries know this is going on, but Americans are sleeping.


    The Truth is unleashed in other parts of the world but it’s concealed from American eyes as a way to demonize Americans to the rest of the world, while American media demonizes the rest of the world (particularly Arabs) to America, this is a way of polarizing both side to inspire conflict on both sides.

    Sources:


    High JAck Suspects alive and well
    High Jack Suspects Alive in Morroco


    Bombs in the Towers




    ___ This next part is important, because it's hardcore vissual evidence of government involvement in 9/11 and is nearly impossible to deny.

    Building seven, first of all, was the third building to collapse within the World Trade Center Complex. According to the government’s official story, building seven was destroyed from fire, along with buildings one and two.

    Videos Show Building 7's 6.5 second symmetrical collapse



    First of all it’s important to say that fire has never once brought a steel structure down. Out of 100 uncontrolled fires in the last 50 years NEVER has fire collapsed a steel building, only earthquakes and explosives have been able to flatten these modern structures.

    So, why is building seven so significant? It’s important because building seven collapsed without being struck by an airplane or anything else, almost as if it were the wind that knocked it over.

    Several videos have been salvaged which show building seven's collapse and shocking evidence has surfaced from scrutiny.

    CBS Broadcast of Buildinding Seven's fall - Dan Rather admits it looks like Explosives
    Building Seven's Collapase from a mile away
    Building Seven's Colapse from 1000 feet away, this is very obvious

    You see, building seven DECENTEGRATED INTO RUBBLE in a vertical symmetrical fashion in 6.5 seconds. If building seven was taken down by an aircraft impact (even though it was not) it would have thrown back horizontally, transferring the energy away from the airplane impacts. And if it was fire, eventhough the flames would have had to have burnt exponentically hotter for a much longer time, we would have seen the structure reduced into liquid metal, and the streets would be a river of flame. But this building simply fell straight to the ground and crumbled.

    I need to explain something about controlled demolition. First of all, when buildings are demolished the explosives are placed in the central column, so the structure falls inwards and does not damage other surrounding buildings. So they only way the building can fall like this or fall period is through the use of explosives.

    THE FEMA REPORT ON WORLD TRADE CENTER 7 COLLAPSE IS A TOTAL JOKE.



    “Each of the following videos shows the entire visible portion of the building falling with a vertical precision otherwise seen only in controlled demolition. Moreover, they show that the collapse took only about 6.5 seconds from start to finish. That rate of fall is within a second of the time it would take an object to fall from the building's roof with no air resistance”





    BUT, building seven is even more important because the offical story of building seven collapse is because it was damaged from fire, HOWEVER, Larry Silverstine the owner of buildings one, two, and seven, got on televiosn on America Rebuilds on PBS, and slipped up, ADMITTING, THAT HE BLEW UP BUILDING SEVEN, He Said "WE PULLED THE BUILDING!" Here's the video from the PBS documentary.

    http://infowars.com/Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV

    Here's another clip where a demolitions expert describes "PULL IT" As a controlled demolition.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/pullit2.mp3

    NOW, it's extremely important to mention that rigging buildins with explosives is a tiresom and very time consuming process, and to properly plant explosives in amathematicaly harmonious fasion to create a smooth symetrical drop. Actually it would take weeks to prepare for the demolition. So not only does Larry Silverstine, the owner of the complex admit to blowing up building seven, But building seven COULD NOT have been demolished on such short notice. Weeks of demolitions planning does not jive well with Osama's suprise attack. In fact it's impossible.

    Another particularly important part of this is to note that Towers one, two, and seven have all of the 10 chartecteristics of a controlled demolition, a building collapseing from fire and plane impact damage having one of the charecteristics of controlled demolition is astronomically rare, the chances of this damage haveing all 10 charecteristics of a controlled demolition and not being a controled demolition is next to nil. These charecteristics are.

    1. Each collapse occurred at virtually free fall speed;
    2. Each building collapsed straight down, for the most part onto its own footprint;
    3. Virtually all the concrete was turned into very fine dust;
    4. In the case of the Twin Towers, the dust was blown out horizontally for 200 feet or more;
    5. The collapses were total, leaving no steel columns sticking up hundreds of feet into the air;
    6. Videos of the collapses reveal "demolition waves", meaning "confluent rows of small explosions";
    7. Most of the steel beams and columns came down in sections that were no more than 30 feet long;
    8. According to many witnesses, explosions occurred within the buildings;
    9. Each collapse was associated with detectable seismic vibrations (suggestive of underground explosions);
    10.Each collapse produced molten steel (which would be produced by explosives), resulting in "hot spots" that remained for months.?

    Source:

    Professor David Ray Griffin
    http://www.rbnlive.com/absentia_trial.html

    Good lookin to Dem Bruce Lee Stylez, and his MIGHTY nine eleven thread right here

    Historical Comparison



    ----The Burning of the Reichstag



    In 1933 Adolph Hitler wanted to seize dictotorial powers and turn Germany into a police state. So he set the massive governmental building on fire, that is known as the Reichstag (German Parliament) the blazing infernos sent the population into a state of petrified fear. Adolph Hitler and his party won by a landslide in the election just weeks later and later on was able to merge the Chancellor’s powers with that of the Presidents, and this is the origin of where his dictatorial power came from. Hitler also blamed the terrorist attack on the communists, and recived a pretext, or a reason, to attack them.


    The real Pretext

    Hitler’s conspiratorial tactic of burning the Reichstag to receive dictatorial power, and a pretext to attack his enemies is a method that is known as the Hegelian Dialectic, which is translated simply as problem, reaction, solution. The Hegelian Dialectic is a tactic that was developed by the 19th century German philosopher George Wilhelm Fredric Hegel. The way this works is, you create a crisis, the population is thrown into fear, and then you, the creator of the crisis, step in with a pre-organized solution, and pose as the savior. As soon as 911 occurred, literally while the smoke was still streaming from the building, politicians began targeting us with Doublethink approaches to get us to give up our freedom for security.

    I don't want to digress too much, but this is important.

    Doublethink is the practice of misrepresenting something bad as something good, such as pushing identity theft propaganda in order to get the people wanting a national ID card. This was the phrase coined in George Orwell's book 1984, which psychologically persuaded the population to relinquish there freedom unto big brother and simultaneously be happy about it. We see doublethink utilized daily by politicians.

    The Hegelian Dialectic fused with the double think approach has given ruthless men an unbelievably effective tactic of power consolidation. But this time it's bigger,




    PNAC(Project For a New American Centeury

    The Project for a New American Century (PNAC) was founded by Dick Chenney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Lewis Libby and others in 2000. This is a pro-globalization neo-con think tank. On his website Dick Cheney lays out a Blueprint for America to invade many of it's neighbors and construct a "global command and control system" Cheney sites Syria, Libya, and North Korea as terrorist regimes, and uses their existence to justify invasions and restructuring there powers under a Pax America. It's strange, earlier in the year, Rumsfeld was selling Nuclear Reactors to North Korea. Now he's sitting in meetings at PNAC calling them a dangerous regime. HaHa, who made them more dangerous, Mr. Rumsfeld?
    This document also mentions that public support would be very difficult to rally for these upcoming wars, and that a "Pearl Harbor Like Attack" would be very helpful. Now this is a public document, saying we need helpful Pearl Harbor attacks, that's motive, and practically admittance.

    Sources:

    PNAC offical site read the documents.
    Meacher talks about PNAC too
    Guardian UK - The Two Faces of Rumseld

    Not only this, but


    "the US and the UK, are running dangerously low on hydrocarbon energy supplies. And by 2010 the Muslim world will control as much as 60% of the worlds oil production, and 95% of the remaining exportable oil. "

    Protecting oil supplies in a crisis
    Taliban to Texas for Oil Talks
    Bottom of the Barrel, the world is runnin out of oil, why do Politicans refuse to talk about it?
    Threats of US to strike Taliban weeks before the attacks



    Cui Bono(Who Benefits?)
    Bush restricts 911 probesTop Taladan leader freed by US
    911 study hindered
    Bush trying to hide 911 information
    911 documents to sensitive for realse
    Bush discourages 911 investagations
    Times of India - Bush took FBI agents off the Trail of Bin Ladens
    Guardian UK - Agent Blasts FBI over 11 Sept 'cover up'


    Goes on and on


    Prominent 911 whistle blowers

    One might wonder, if all of this evidence which literally swiss chesses the offical story being in existene, why has there not been more of an outcry about it? Well, there has, famous people all over the world have been questioning and exposeing the 911 coverup.

    Micheal Meacher MP, former enviromental advisor in the British Government - This War on Terrorism is Bogus
    former UK Government Minister speaks out about the standdown of NORAD on September 11th, PNAC and the pre-planned wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,...1036571,00.html
    http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/070204meacher.htm

    Andre Van Buelow
    Von Buelow is the former German Defense Minister and Minister of Technology. Von Buelow went public to say the US government carried out 9/11. His book is one of the bestsellers across Europe.
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/021104vonbuelow.html
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/020804vonbuelow.html

    Robert Wright, FBI special Agent,
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/FBI_agent_I_wa...error_probe.htm

    Cynthia Mckinney (Representative D-GA) Grills Rumsfeld on wargames going on the morning of 9/11, he does not deny
    http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinn...ls_rumsfeld.htm

    Morgan Reynolds, (former chief economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term) says 911 Offical story is a fruad
    http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20...02755-6408r.htm
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds7.html
    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=44787


    AND, Jimmy Walters the billionaire activist has gone so far as to, run commericals on televission, showing the evidence behinde building seven, and has also offered a $100,000 reward to any enginner who can proove that the towers fell the way they were said to have fallen in the offical story.

    http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/new...hp?storyid=1013
    September 11 conspiracy theorist offers prize - Reuters






    Summary:


    911 was such a cataclysmic event, it galvanized both the idiots and the intellectuals of America into a flag waving frenzy for nearly five years. 911 has become a never ending excuse to fight any war over seas, and implement any authoritarian rule domestically. Politicians were so quick to exploit this event, jumping in there tanks and battle suits while rushing 1000 page bills through the Senate and House. One has to wonder, why the knee jerk reaction of this attack was to shift into throwing a doublethink deception at the people, telling them to give up freedom for liberty before the smoke had yet to even clear from the air.

    Giving up freedom for Liberty is a False Paradigm. No Liberty = Tyranny.

    As the Roman judges used to say when a crime was committed, “key bono?”, or who benefits? The globalists who masterminded this attack want authoritarian control of America, invasion into uncontrolled Arab states, and overall a world climate that is so dangerous and unstable, the people will beg them for a one world government. A government ruled by them. Order out of chaos.

    I've developed quite a case here, and I think my arguments are supported extremely well, even without all of my information on the towers; this is very strong evidence that we are being lied too, almost on a daily basis. Most of this literally proves the official story is a fraud and there's a lot of things I chose not to talk about, like 100s of Al-Queda and Taliban being flown out after 911, Insider trading right before 911, or Bush pulling FBI agents off of the Trail of the Bin Laden right before 911 (Edit: I did touch on that) and signing documents to protect them. However I've come to the conclusion that in this instance, the problem is there is actually TOO MUCH evidence here, so I won't even bother with the links for my last claims.

    If you think I've made a compelling case, than I urge you learn more about this, because if I'm even remotely correct, and this New World Order aka the "Global Union" is created, by the same creatures who carried out this attack, I don't think your going to want to live under the tyranny grids they've constructed for you. I'm not charging the government with carrying this out, but these Rogue elements with tentacles into our government, who live in families who are worth five times as much as our countries annual budget. If you look more into this, I know you'll see that what I'm saying is true, this is what has happened with me. So please spread this thread around as much as you can, watch some of these movies I post at the bottom, PLEASE look into this more. I know when you find out what I'm saying is real, you'll fight it with even more compassion.

    In the past only small pockets of people have had information on this subject, which served to cloak events in a protective secrecy. But lately a plethora of new information has been consolidated, creating an incredibly chaotic environment for the globalist where the risk of mass exposure is becoming very real. So once you learn, please spread this information on to others.

    This is an information war, against elites with 90% of the wealth trying to control the political and financial systems to control mankind, and doing it for there own selfish desires. And information of this type is so much more powerful than any gun or grenade or tank or anything. Every single word we spew of resistance is a bullet, discharged from a chamber and sent into the heart of the New World Order Demon, and it will take a lot to kill it, but humanity will prevail.

    911 Documentaries


    Martial Law: 911 Rise of the Police State (The best damn 911 movie ever made)

    Windows Media Player:
    Broadband:

    http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml.wmv

    Dial up:

    http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml56k.wmv

    Stream:

    Broadband:

    http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml.wmx

    Dial up:

    http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml56k.wmx

    911- The Road To Tyranny

    Paineful Deceptions
    Painful Deceptions DVD Part 1 (pentagon)
    Painful Deceptions DVD Part 2 (building 7 and the two towers)
    Painful Deceptions DVD Part 3 (media propaganda)

    The Masters of terror
    2:00:09
    http://thewebfairy.com/video/collect...or_128KBps.wmv

    911 Truth and Lies 4 parts

    http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/...dLiesPart1.wmv
    http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/...dLiesPart2.wmv
    http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/...dLiesPart3.wmv
    http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/...dLiesPart4.wmv

    Michael Parenti-Terrorism, Globalism and Conspiracy
    http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti1.wmv
    http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti2.wmv
    http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti3.wmv
    http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti4.wmv
    http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti5.wmv

    Illuminazi 9-11
    http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads/illuminazi.wmv

    The Microchip
    http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads/The%20Microchip.wmv

    Free ebooks

    The Secret Rituals of the O.T.O. (Illuminati, Templars, Freemasons, etc.).pdf
    Order Out of Chaos - Paul Joseph Watson
    A Chronological History of the New World Order - Denis Cuddy
    Conspiracy ebook - The New World Order - Milton William Cooper
    Global Tyranny Step by Step - By WIlliam F. Jasper


    A shit load more Documentaries and ebooks can be found here

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggyjuarez
    Ok, this is to all of the people who still believe 9/11 was the work of 19 Arabic Hijackers and an operation entirely masterminded by Osama Bin Laden, mainly because he hates our freedom’s and disagrees with American Liberalism. Despite all of their hard work, the United States Government simply could not see the attack coming.

    When one considers all of the hardcore facts, there is no way this excuse holds even a grain of truth in it. The official story is impossible and simply does not stand up to scrutiny. Even more laughable is the excuse given by government officials that it was simply a "failure of intelligence" and the attack could not be averted. Politicians should not even form their mouths to even use an incompetence excuse. Warnings were received by the US by at least 18 other countries, and agents in the CIA, and the FBI were warned. The FAA got warnings too. In fact,

    Prior Knowledge:

    CIA had high-jacker details
    Taliban warned the US of huge attack
    FBI warned of plot to high-jack planes in 1995
    FBI warned of Suspicious flight student last yearCIA ignorned warnings of Al-Queda
    US knew of Suicide highjack threat in 1995
    The airlift of evil
    Threat of US attacks passed Taliban weeks before the attacks
    US clamps secrecy on attacks before 911


    It seems that there were so many warnings, that


    "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defence of incompetence." Micheal Meacher, Tony Blairs former environmental advisor until 2003. London Guardian

    In addition to these Government officials and other people received individuals warnings as well. Mayor Willie Brown of San Francisco was warned a full eight hours before the attack not to fly on 911, author Salmon Rushdie was publicly banned from flying before 911, and John Ashcroft former Attorney General stopped flying commercially six months before 911. Even some people working inside of the towers got instant messages, telling them to evacuate the WTC.

    We must ask ourselves, where did all this prior knowledge come from, and why was it all ignored? Is it possible for that this much information of this magnitude of importance to get tangled up in a beaurecratic web of telephone lines? The answer is NO, people in side of the Trade Towers got INSTANT MESSAGES telling them the buildings were going to be destroyed two hours before it happened. You’re going to tell me someone can get an INSTANT MESSAGE to someone inside the World Trade Center two hours before the attack, but no one can get the message to the President of the United States? Impossible, this is the equivalent to saying people who work in the WTC have access to better inteligence than the president does. Someone calls up calls Mayor Willie Brown eight hours before the attack, and tells him not to fly, BUT THEY CAN'T CONTACT THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLERS AND WARN THEM AHEAD OF TIME?!??!

    Sources:

    Odigo Says Workers Were Warned of the Attack
    San Francisco Chronicle - Mayor Willie Brown got Low-Key Warning about Air Travel
    The Truth Seeker-Condi Lisa Rice Warned Willie Brown and Told him not to fly on 911
    CBS News - Ashcroft Flying High


    In addition there are over 600 smoking gun holes and unanswered questions in the official story of 911; I'm only going to scratch the surface, w/ some of the main ones.

    First thing is the NORAD stand down order.

    "The first hijacking was suspected at not later than 8.20am, and the last hijacked aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania at 10.06am. Not a single fighter plane was scrambled to investigate from the US Andrews airforce base, just 10 miles from Washington DC, until after the third plane had hit the Pentagon at 9.38 am. Why not? There were standard FAA intercept procedures for hijacked aircraft before 9/11. Between September 2000 and June 2001 the US military launched fighter aircraft on 67 occasions to chase suspicious aircraft" (AP, August 13 2002)
    guardian, once again

    NORAD completely stood down, this is a clear violation of FAA flight regulations, and NORAD could have probably stopped the attack, at least partially. The morning of 911 NORAD was training in a war game of flying hijacked aircrafts into buildings ON the Morning of 911. On the Morning of 911??!?! Yep, the drill stopped just 50 minutes before the Hi-Jacking began. No wonder there was no Military Response, NORAD was told that the planes being Hijacked were just part of a drill. That's why they stood down.

    What are the chances of this happening? It's just a coincidence that they were running a war-game drill, mirroring the same monumental event to be documented in history books for centuries? Of course it’s possible, but very VERY unlikely.

    This is so weird to have happened, and even weirder is the fact that this type of a wargame is going on the morning of 911. This type of event would be simmilar to seeing Oswald and the CIA training how to kill Kennedy in Dealy Plaza an hour before it happened.

    Yahoo News - Agency planned exercise on Sept. 11 built around a plane crashing into a building
    USA Today - NORAD has drills to use jets as weapons
    Associated Press - Exercise built around crashing planes into buildings



    In addition, the list of the 19 hijackers and their picture identification was assembled and aired just hours after the attack. How do we jump to the accusations that 19 suspects are guilty of 3,000 American murders when most, if not all of the evidence, is twisted metal and degenerated ashes that used to be people? Actually by the time the hijackers had their mug shots aired on TV, all of the crime scenes had been destroyed. Buildings one and two collapsed, as well as the mysterious building seven collapsing on its own, the plane that hit the pentagon decentegrated, and flight 93 was likely shot down, hours later we miraculously post all of their mug shots on the news? Damn, we must be good.

    So how exactly did the United States leap to their allegations of guilt?

    A travel bag belonging to one of the 911 hijackers was found at the airport after the attacks, absolutely ruling beyond any doubt, that this was the work of Al-Queda.

    Question: Why would a hijacker, planning to commit suicide, even BRING A BAG? Let alone pack it w/ incriminating evidence sure to unleash a fire storm of military hell on all of his fellow Mid Eastern people? The bag contained enough evidences to precisely tie the perpetrators to the Taliban and Al-Queda justify the assault in Afghanistan.


    Answer: this is MANUFACTURED EVIDENCE


    Now BBC has began running stories that many of these men have shown up as being still alive. The 911 Hijackers steal our planes to suicide attack us because were apparently not in sync with what the Qu'ran says, and then they show up still being alive. So that means that at least five of the men on the hi-jackers list cannot be the same men who were on the plane. But the government has stuck to their official story on this, and no one in the mainstream media has ever brought this up, or challenged them on it. Many of the hijackers are now appearing on television in their countries and professing their innocence. A lot of information like this has been circulating around other parts of the world, and it is likely part of the reason why America's image has dropped from negative to terrible. Most people in other countries know this is going on, but Americans are sleeping.


    The Truth is unleashed in other parts of the world but it’s concealed from American eyes as a way to demonize Americans to the rest of the world, while American media demonizes the rest of the world (particularly Arabs) to America, this is a way of polarizing both side to inspire conflict on both sides.

    Sources:


    High JAck Suspects alive and well
    High Jack Suspects Alive in Morroco


    Bombs in the Towers




    ___ This next part is important, because it's hardcore vissual evidence of government involvement in 9/11 and is nearly impossible to deny.

    Building seven, first of all, was the third building to collapse within the World Trade Center Complex. According to the government’s official story, building seven was destroyed from fire, along with buildings one and two.

    Videos Show Building 7's 6.5 second symmetrical collapse



    First of all it’s important to say that fire has never once brought a steel structure down. Out of 100 uncontrolled fires in the last 50 years NEVER has fire collapsed a steel building, only earthquakes and explosives have been able to flatten these modern structures.

    So, why is building seven so significant? It’s important because building seven collapsed without being struck by an airplane or anything else, almost as if it were the wind that knocked it over.

    Several videos have been salvaged which show building seven's collapse and shocking evidence has surfaced from scrutiny.

    CBS Broadcast of Buildinding Seven's fall - Dan Rather admits it looks like Explosives
    Building Seven's Collapase from a mile away
    Building Seven's Colapse from 1000 feet away, this is very obvious

    You see, building seven DECENTEGRATED INTO RUBBLE in a vertical symmetrical fashion in 6.5 seconds. If building seven was taken down by an aircraft impact (even though it was not) it would have thrown back horizontally, transferring the energy away from the airplane impacts. And if it was fire, eventhough the flames would have had to have burnt exponentically hotter for a much longer time, we would have seen the structure reduced into liquid metal, and the streets would be a river of flame. But this building simply fell straight to the ground and crumbled.

    I need to explain something about controlled demolition. First of all, when buildings are demolished the explosives are placed in the central column, so the structure falls inwards and does not damage other surrounding buildings. So they only way the building can fall like this or fall period is through the use of explosives.

    THE FEMA REPORT ON WORLD TRADE CENTER 7 COLLAPSE IS A TOTAL JOKE.



    “Each of the following videos shows the entire visible portion of the building falling with a vertical precision otherwise seen only in controlled demolition. Moreover, they show that the collapse took only about 6.5 seconds from start to finish. That rate of fall is within a second of the time it would take an object to fall from the building's roof with no air resistance”





    BUT, building seven is even more important because the offical story of building seven collapse is because it was damaged from fire, HOWEVER, Larry Silverstine the owner of buildings one, two, and seven, got on televiosn on America Rebuilds on PBS, and slipped up, ADMITTING, THAT HE BLEW UP BUILDING SEVEN, He Said "WE PULLED THE BUILDING!" Here's the video from the PBS documentary.

    http://infowars.com/Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV

    Here's another clip where a demolitions expert describes "PULL IT" As a controlled demolition.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/pullit2.mp3

    NOW, it's extremely important to mention that rigging buildins with explosives is a tiresom and very time consuming process, and to properly plant explosives in amathematicaly harmonious fasion to create a smooth symetrical drop. Actually it would take weeks to prepare for the demolition. So not only does Larry Silverstine, the owner of the complex admit to blowing up building seven, But building seven COULD NOT have been demolished on such short notice. Weeks of demolitions planning does not jive well with Osama's suprise attack. In fact it's impossible.

    Another particularly important part of this is to note that Towers one, two, and seven have all of the 10 chartecteristics of a controlled demolition, a building collapseing from fire and plane impact damage having one of the charecteristics of controlled demolition is astronomically rare, the chances of this damage haveing all 10 charecteristics of a controlled demolition and not being a controled demolition is next to nil. These charecteristics are.

    1. Each collapse occurred at virtually free fall speed;
    2. Each building collapsed straight down, for the most part onto its own footprint;
    3. Virtually all the concrete was turned into very fine dust;
    4. In the case of the Twin Towers, the dust was blown out horizontally for 200 feet or more;
    5. The collapses were total, leaving no steel columns sticking up hundreds of feet into the air;
    6. Videos of the collapses reveal "demolition waves", meaning "confluent rows of small explosions";
    7. Most of the steel beams and columns came down in sections that were no more than 30 feet long;
    8. According to many witnesses, explosions occurred within the buildings;
    9. Each collapse was associated with detectable seismic vibrations (suggestive of underground explosions);
    10.Each collapse produced molten steel (which would be produced by explosives), resulting in "hot spots" that remained for months.?

    Source:

    Professor David Ray Griffin
    http://www.rbnlive.com/absentia_trial.html

    Good lookin to Dem Bruce Lee Stylez, and his MIGHTY nine eleven thread right here

    Historical Comparison



    ----The Burning of the Reichstag



    In 1933 Adolph Hitler wanted to seize dictotorial powers and turn Germany into a police state. So he set the massive governmental building on fire, that is known as the Reichstag (German Parliament) the blazing infernos sent the population into a state of petrified fear. Adolph Hitler and his party won by a landslide in the election just weeks later and later on was able to merge the Chancellor’s powers with that of the Presidents, and this is the origin of where his dictatorial power came from. Hitler also blamed the terrorist attack on the communists, and recived a pretext, or a reason, to attack them.


    The real Pretext

    Hitler’s conspiratorial tactic of burning the Reichstag to receive dictatorial power, and a pretext to attack his enemies is a method that is known as the Hegelian Dialectic, which is translated simply as problem, reaction, solution. The Hegelian Dialectic is a tactic that was developed by the 19th century German philosopher George Wilhelm Fredric Hegel. The way this works is, you create a crisis, the population is thrown into fear, and then you, the creator of the crisis, step in with a pre-organized solution, and pose as the savior. As soon as 911 occurred, literally while the smoke was still streaming from the building, politicians began targeting us with Doublethink approaches to get us to give up our freedom for security.

    I don't want to digress too much, but this is important.

    Doublethink is the practice of misrepresenting something bad as something good, such as pushing identity theft propaganda in order to get the people wanting a national ID card. This was the phrase coined in George Orwell's book 1984, which psychologically persuaded the population to relinquish there freedom unto big brother and simultaneously be happy about it. We see doublethink utilized daily by politicians.

    The Hegelian Dialectic fused with the double think approach has given ruthless men an unbelievably effective tactic of power consolidation. But this time it's bigger,




    PNAC(Project For a New American Centeury

    The Project for a New American Century (PNAC) was founded by Dick Chenney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Lewis Libby and others in 2000. This is a pro-globalization neo-con think tank. On his website Dick Cheney lays out a Blueprint for America to invade many of it's neighbors and construct a "global command and control system" Cheney sites Syria, Libya, and North Korea as terrorist regimes, and uses their existence to justify invasions and restructuring there powers under a Pax America. It's strange, earlier in the year, Rumsfeld was selling Nuclear Reactors to North Korea. Now he's sitting in meetings at PNAC calling them a dangerous regime. HaHa, who made them more dangerous, Mr. Rumsfeld?
    This document also mentions that public support would be very difficult to rally for these upcoming wars, and that a "Pearl Harbor Like Attack" would be very helpful. Now this is a public document, saying we need helpful Pearl Harbor attacks, that's motive, and practically admittance.

    Sources:

    PNAC offical site read the documents.
    Meacher talks about PNAC too
    Guardian UK - The Two Faces of Rumseld

    Not only this, but


    "the US and the UK, are running dangerously low on hydrocarbon energy supplies. And by 2010 the Muslim world will control as much as 60% of the worlds oil production, and 95% of the remaining exportable oil. "

    Protecting oil supplies in a crisis
    Taliban to Texas for Oil Talks
    Bottom of the Barrel, the world is runnin out of oil, why do Politicans refuse to talk about it?
    Threats of US to strike Taliban weeks before the attacks



    Cui Bono(Who Benefits?)
    Bush restricts 911 probesTop Taladan leader freed by US
    911 study hindered
    Bush trying to hide 911 information
    911 documents to sensitive for realse
    Bush discourages 911 investagations
    Times of India - Bush took FBI agents off the Trail of Bin Ladens
    Guardian UK - Agent Blasts FBI over 11 Sept 'cover up'


    Goes on and on


    Prominent 911 whistle blowers

    One might wonder, if all of this evidence which literally swiss chesses the offical story being in existene, why has there not been more of an outcry about it? Well, there has, famous people all over the world have been questioning and exposeing the 911 coverup.

    Micheal Meacher MP, former enviromental advisor in the British Government - This War on Terrorism is Bogus
    former UK Government Minister speaks out about the standdown of NORAD on September 11th, PNAC and the pre-planned wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,...1036571,00.html
    http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/070204meacher.htm

    Andre Van Buelow
    Von Buelow is the former German Defense Minister and Minister of Technology. Von Buelow went public to say the US government carried out 9/11. His book is one of the bestsellers across Europe.
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/021104vonbuelow.html
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/020804vonbuelow.html

    Robert Wright, FBI special Agent,
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/FBI_agent_I_wa...error_probe.htm

    Cynthia Mckinney (Representative D-GA) Grills Rumsfeld on wargames going on the morning of 9/11, he does not deny
    http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinn...ls_rumsfeld.htm

    Morgan Reynolds, (former chief economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term) says 911 Offical story is a fruad
    http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20...02755-6408r.htm
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds7.html
    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=44787


    AND, Jimmy Walters the billionaire activist has gone so far as to, run commericals on televission, showing the evidence behinde building seven, and has also offered a $100,000 reward to any enginner who can proove that the towers fell the way they were said to have fallen in the offical story.

    http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/new...hp?storyid=1013
    September 11 conspiracy theorist offers prize - Reuters






    Summary:


    911 was such a cataclysmic event, it galvanized both the idiots and the intellectuals of America into a flag waving frenzy for nearly five years. 911 has become a never ending excuse to fight any war over seas, and implement any authoritarian rule domestically. Politicians were so quick to exploit this event, jumping in there tanks and battle suits while rushing 1000 page bills through the Senate and House. One has to wonder, why the knee jerk reaction of this attack was to shift into throwing a doublethink deception at the people, telling them to give up freedom for liberty before the smoke had yet to even clear from the air.

    Giving up freedom for Liberty is a False Paradigm. No Liberty = Tyranny.

    As the Roman judges used to say when a crime was committed, “key bono?”, or who benefits? The globalists who masterminded this attack want authoritarian control of America, invasion into uncontrolled Arab states, and overall a world climate that is so dangerous and unstable, the people will beg them for a one world government. A government ruled by them. Order out of chaos.

    I've developed quite a case here, and I think my arguments are supported extremely well, even without all of my information on the towers; this is very strong evidence that we are being lied too, almost on a daily basis. Most of this literally proves the official story is a fraud and there's a lot of things I chose not to talk about, like 100s of Al-Queda and Taliban being flown out after 911, Insider trading right before 911, or Bush pulling FBI agents off of the Trail of the Bin Laden right before 911 (Edit: I did touch on that) and signing documents to protect them. However I've come to the conclusion that in this instance, the problem is there is actually TOO MUCH evidence here, so I won't even bother with the links for my last claims.

    If you think I've made a compelling case, than I urge you learn more about this, because if I'm even remotely correct, and this New World Order aka the "Global Union" is created, by the same creatures who carried out this attack, I don't think your going to want to live under the tyranny grids they've constructed for you. I'm not charging the government with carrying this out, but these Rogue elements with tentacles into our government, who live in families who are worth five times as much as our countries annual budget. If you look more into this, I know you'll see that what I'm saying is true, this is what has happened with me. So please spread this thread around as much as you can, watch some of these movies I post at the bottom, PLEASE look into this more. I know when you find out what I'm saying is real, you'll fight it with even more compassion.

    In the past only small pockets of people have had information on this subject, which served to cloak events in a protective secrecy. But lately a plethora of new information has been consolidated, creating an incredibly chaotic environment for the globalist where the risk of mass exposure is becoming very real. So once you learn, please spread this information on to others.

    This is an information war, against elites with 90% of the wealth trying to control the political and financial systems to control mankind, and doing it for there own selfish desires. And information of this type is so much more powerful than any gun or grenade or tank or anything. Every single word we spew of resistance is a bullet, discharged from a chamber and sent into the heart of the New World Order Demon, and it will take a lot to kill it, but humanity will prevail.

    911 Documentaries


    Martial Law: 911 Rise of the Police State (The best damn 911 movie ever made)

    Windows Media Player:
    Broadband:

    http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml.wmv

    Dial up:

    http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml56k.wmv

    Stream:

    Broadband:

    http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml.wmx

    Dial up:

    http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml56k.wmx

    911- The Road To Tyranny

    Paineful Deceptions
    Painful Deceptions DVD Part 1 (pentagon)
    Painful Deceptions DVD Part 2 (building 7 and the two towers)
    Painful Deceptions DVD Part 3 (media propaganda)

    The Masters of terror
    2:00:09
    http://thewebfairy.com/video/collect...or_128KBps.wmv

    911 Truth and Lies 4 parts

    http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/...dLiesPart1.wmv
    http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/...dLiesPart2.wmv
    http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/...dLiesPart3.wmv
    http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/...dLiesPart4.wmv

    Michael Parenti-Terrorism, Globalism and Conspiracy
    http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti1.wmv
    http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti2.wmv
    http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti3.wmv
    http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti4.wmv
    http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti5.wmv

    Illuminazi 9-11
    http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads/illuminazi.wmv

    The Microchip
    http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads/The%20Microchip.wmv

    Free ebooks

    The Secret Rituals of the O.T.O. (Illuminati, Templars, Freemasons, etc.).pdf
    Order Out of Chaos - Paul Joseph Watson
    A Chronological History of the New World Order - Denis Cuddy
    Conspiracy ebook - The New World Order - Milton William Cooper
    Global Tyranny Step by Step - By WIlliam F. Jasper


    A shit load more Documentaries and ebooks can be found here

    Where's the cliff notes version?

  5. The Drawing Room   -   #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Tikibonbon
    Quote Originally Posted by ziggyjuarez
    Ok, this is to all of the people who still believe 9/11 was the work of 19 Arabic Hijackers and an operation entirely masterminded by Osama Bin Laden, mainly because he hates our freedom’s and disagrees with American Liberalism. Despite all of their hard work, the United States Government simply could not see the attack coming.

    When one considers all of the hardcore facts, there is no way this excuse holds even a grain of truth in it. The official story is impossible and simply does not stand up to scrutiny. Even more laughable is the excuse given by government officials that it was simply a "failure of intelligence" and the attack could not be averted. Politicians should not even form their mouths to even use an incompetence excuse. Warnings were received by the US by at least 18 other countries, and agents in the CIA, and the FBI were warned. The FAA got warnings too. In fact,

    Prior Knowledge:

    CIA had high-jacker details
    Taliban warned the US of huge attack
    FBI warned of plot to high-jack planes in 1995
    FBI warned of Suspicious flight student last yearCIA ignorned warnings of Al-Queda
    US knew of Suicide highjack threat in 1995
    The airlift of evil
    Threat of US attacks passed Taliban weeks before the attacks
    US clamps secrecy on attacks before 911


    It seems that there were so many warnings, that


    "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defence of incompetence." Micheal Meacher, Tony Blairs former environmental advisor until 2003. London Guardian

    In addition to these Government officials and other people received individuals warnings as well. Mayor Willie Brown of San Francisco was warned a full eight hours before the attack not to fly on 911, author Salmon Rushdie was publicly banned from flying before 911, and John Ashcroft former Attorney General stopped flying commercially six months before 911. Even some people working inside of the towers got instant messages, telling them to evacuate the WTC.

    We must ask ourselves, where did all this prior knowledge come from, and why was it all ignored? Is it possible for that this much information of this magnitude of importance to get tangled up in a beaurecratic web of telephone lines? The answer is NO, people in side of the Trade Towers got INSTANT MESSAGES telling them the buildings were going to be destroyed two hours before it happened. You’re going to tell me someone can get an INSTANT MESSAGE to someone inside the World Trade Center two hours before the attack, but no one can get the message to the President of the United States? Impossible, this is the equivalent to saying people who work in the WTC have access to better inteligence than the president does. Someone calls up calls Mayor Willie Brown eight hours before the attack, and tells him not to fly, BUT THEY CAN'T CONTACT THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLERS AND WARN THEM AHEAD OF TIME?!??!

    Sources:

    Odigo Says Workers Were Warned of the Attack
    San Francisco Chronicle - Mayor Willie Brown got Low-Key Warning about Air Travel
    The Truth Seeker-Condi Lisa Rice Warned Willie Brown and Told him not to fly on 911
    CBS News - Ashcroft Flying High


    In addition there are over 600 smoking gun holes and unanswered questions in the official story of 911; I'm only going to scratch the surface, w/ some of the main ones.

    First thing is the NORAD stand down order.

    "The first hijacking was suspected at not later than 8.20am, and the last hijacked aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania at 10.06am. Not a single fighter plane was scrambled to investigate from the US Andrews airforce base, just 10 miles from Washington DC, until after the third plane had hit the Pentagon at 9.38 am. Why not? There were standard FAA intercept procedures for hijacked aircraft before 9/11. Between September 2000 and June 2001 the US military launched fighter aircraft on 67 occasions to chase suspicious aircraft" (AP, August 13 2002)
    guardian, once again

    NORAD completely stood down, this is a clear violation of FAA flight regulations, and NORAD could have probably stopped the attack, at least partially. The morning of 911 NORAD was training in a war game of flying hijacked aircrafts into buildings ON the Morning of 911. On the Morning of 911??!?! Yep, the drill stopped just 50 minutes before the Hi-Jacking began. No wonder there was no Military Response, NORAD was told that the planes being Hijacked were just part of a drill. That's why they stood down.

    What are the chances of this happening? It's just a coincidence that they were running a war-game drill, mirroring the same monumental event to be documented in history books for centuries? Of course it’s possible, but very VERY unlikely.

    This is so weird to have happened, and even weirder is the fact that this type of a wargame is going on the morning of 911. This type of event would be simmilar to seeing Oswald and the CIA training how to kill Kennedy in Dealy Plaza an hour before it happened.

    Yahoo News - Agency planned exercise on Sept. 11 built around a plane crashing into a building
    USA Today - NORAD has drills to use jets as weapons
    Associated Press - Exercise built around crashing planes into buildings



    In addition, the list of the 19 hijackers and their picture identification was assembled and aired just hours after the attack. How do we jump to the accusations that 19 suspects are guilty of 3,000 American murders when most, if not all of the evidence, is twisted metal and degenerated ashes that used to be people? Actually by the time the hijackers had their mug shots aired on TV, all of the crime scenes had been destroyed. Buildings one and two collapsed, as well as the mysterious building seven collapsing on its own, the plane that hit the pentagon decentegrated, and flight 93 was likely shot down, hours later we miraculously post all of their mug shots on the news? Damn, we must be good.

    So how exactly did the United States leap to their allegations of guilt?

    A travel bag belonging to one of the 911 hijackers was found at the airport after the attacks, absolutely ruling beyond any doubt, that this was the work of Al-Queda.

    Question: Why would a hijacker, planning to commit suicide, even BRING A BAG? Let alone pack it w/ incriminating evidence sure to unleash a fire storm of military hell on all of his fellow Mid Eastern people? The bag contained enough evidences to precisely tie the perpetrators to the Taliban and Al-Queda justify the assault in Afghanistan.


    Answer: this is MANUFACTURED EVIDENCE


    Now BBC has began running stories that many of these men have shown up as being still alive. The 911 Hijackers steal our planes to suicide attack us because were apparently not in sync with what the Qu'ran says, and then they show up still being alive. So that means that at least five of the men on the hi-jackers list cannot be the same men who were on the plane. But the government has stuck to their official story on this, and no one in the mainstream media has ever brought this up, or challenged them on it. Many of the hijackers are now appearing on television in their countries and professing their innocence. A lot of information like this has been circulating around other parts of the world, and it is likely part of the reason why America's image has dropped from negative to terrible. Most people in other countries know this is going on, but Americans are sleeping.


    The Truth is unleashed in other parts of the world but it’s concealed from American eyes as a way to demonize Americans to the rest of the world, while American media demonizes the rest of the world (particularly Arabs) to America, this is a way of polarizing both side to inspire conflict on both sides.

    Sources:


    High JAck Suspects alive and well
    High Jack Suspects Alive in Morroco


    Bombs in the Towers




    ___ This next part is important, because it's hardcore vissual evidence of government involvement in 9/11 and is nearly impossible to deny.

    Building seven, first of all, was the third building to collapse within the World Trade Center Complex. According to the government’s official story, building seven was destroyed from fire, along with buildings one and two.

    Videos Show Building 7's 6.5 second symmetrical collapse



    First of all it’s important to say that fire has never once brought a steel structure down. Out of 100 uncontrolled fires in the last 50 years NEVER has fire collapsed a steel building, only earthquakes and explosives have been able to flatten these modern structures.

    So, why is building seven so significant? It’s important because building seven collapsed without being struck by an airplane or anything else, almost as if it were the wind that knocked it over.

    Several videos have been salvaged which show building seven's collapse and shocking evidence has surfaced from scrutiny.

    CBS Broadcast of Buildinding Seven's fall - Dan Rather admits it looks like Explosives
    Building Seven's Collapase from a mile away
    Building Seven's Colapse from 1000 feet away, this is very obvious

    You see, building seven DECENTEGRATED INTO RUBBLE in a vertical symmetrical fashion in 6.5 seconds. If building seven was taken down by an aircraft impact (even though it was not) it would have thrown back horizontally, transferring the energy away from the airplane impacts. And if it was fire, eventhough the flames would have had to have burnt exponentically hotter for a much longer time, we would have seen the structure reduced into liquid metal, and the streets would be a river of flame. But this building simply fell straight to the ground and crumbled.

    I need to explain something about controlled demolition. First of all, when buildings are demolished the explosives are placed in the central column, so the structure falls inwards and does not damage other surrounding buildings. So they only way the building can fall like this or fall period is through the use of explosives.

    THE FEMA REPORT ON WORLD TRADE CENTER 7 COLLAPSE IS A TOTAL JOKE.



    “Each of the following videos shows the entire visible portion of the building falling with a vertical precision otherwise seen only in controlled demolition. Moreover, they show that the collapse took only about 6.5 seconds from start to finish. That rate of fall is within a second of the time it would take an object to fall from the building's roof with no air resistance”





    BUT, building seven is even more important because the offical story of building seven collapse is because it was damaged from fire, HOWEVER, Larry Silverstine the owner of buildings one, two, and seven, got on televiosn on America Rebuilds on PBS, and slipped up, ADMITTING, THAT HE BLEW UP BUILDING SEVEN, He Said "WE PULLED THE BUILDING!" Here's the video from the PBS documentary.

    http://infowars.com/Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV

    Here's another clip where a demolitions expert describes "PULL IT" As a controlled demolition.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/pullit2.mp3

    NOW, it's extremely important to mention that rigging buildins with explosives is a tiresom and very time consuming process, and to properly plant explosives in amathematicaly harmonious fasion to create a smooth symetrical drop. Actually it would take weeks to prepare for the demolition. So not only does Larry Silverstine, the owner of the complex admit to blowing up building seven, But building seven COULD NOT have been demolished on such short notice. Weeks of demolitions planning does not jive well with Osama's suprise attack. In fact it's impossible.

    Another particularly important part of this is to note that Towers one, two, and seven have all of the 10 chartecteristics of a controlled demolition, a building collapseing from fire and plane impact damage having one of the charecteristics of controlled demolition is astronomically rare, the chances of this damage haveing all 10 charecteristics of a controlled demolition and not being a controled demolition is next to nil. These charecteristics are.

    1. Each collapse occurred at virtually free fall speed;
    2. Each building collapsed straight down, for the most part onto its own footprint;
    3. Virtually all the concrete was turned into very fine dust;
    4. In the case of the Twin Towers, the dust was blown out horizontally for 200 feet or more;
    5. The collapses were total, leaving no steel columns sticking up hundreds of feet into the air;
    6. Videos of the collapses reveal "demolition waves", meaning "confluent rows of small explosions";
    7. Most of the steel beams and columns came down in sections that were no more than 30 feet long;
    8. According to many witnesses, explosions occurred within the buildings;
    9. Each collapse was associated with detectable seismic vibrations (suggestive of underground explosions);
    10.Each collapse produced molten steel (which would be produced by explosives), resulting in "hot spots" that remained for months.?

    Source:

    Professor David Ray Griffin
    http://www.rbnlive.com/absentia_trial.html

    Good lookin to Dem Bruce Lee Stylez, and his MIGHTY nine eleven thread right here

    Historical Comparison



    ----The Burning of the Reichstag



    In 1933 Adolph Hitler wanted to seize dictotorial powers and turn Germany into a police state. So he set the massive governmental building on fire, that is known as the Reichstag (German Parliament) the blazing infernos sent the population into a state of petrified fear. Adolph Hitler and his party won by a landslide in the election just weeks later and later on was able to merge the Chancellor’s powers with that of the Presidents, and this is the origin of where his dictatorial power came from. Hitler also blamed the terrorist attack on the communists, and recived a pretext, or a reason, to attack them.


    The real Pretext

    Hitler’s conspiratorial tactic of burning the Reichstag to receive dictatorial power, and a pretext to attack his enemies is a method that is known as the Hegelian Dialectic, which is translated simply as problem, reaction, solution. The Hegelian Dialectic is a tactic that was developed by the 19th century German philosopher George Wilhelm Fredric Hegel. The way this works is, you create a crisis, the population is thrown into fear, and then you, the creator of the crisis, step in with a pre-organized solution, and pose as the savior. As soon as 911 occurred, literally while the smoke was still streaming from the building, politicians began targeting us with Doublethink approaches to get us to give up our freedom for security.

    I don't want to digress too much, but this is important.

    Doublethink is the practice of misrepresenting something bad as something good, such as pushing identity theft propaganda in order to get the people wanting a national ID card. This was the phrase coined in George Orwell's book 1984, which psychologically persuaded the population to relinquish there freedom unto big brother and simultaneously be happy about it. We see doublethink utilized daily by politicians.

    The Hegelian Dialectic fused with the double think approach has given ruthless men an unbelievably effective tactic of power consolidation. But this time it's bigger,




    PNAC(Project For a New American Centeury

    The Project for a New American Century (PNAC) was founded by Dick Chenney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Lewis Libby and others in 2000. This is a pro-globalization neo-con think tank. On his website Dick Cheney lays out a Blueprint for America to invade many of it's neighbors and construct a "global command and control system" Cheney sites Syria, Libya, and North Korea as terrorist regimes, and uses their existence to justify invasions and restructuring there powers under a Pax America. It's strange, earlier in the year, Rumsfeld was selling Nuclear Reactors to North Korea. Now he's sitting in meetings at PNAC calling them a dangerous regime. HaHa, who made them more dangerous, Mr. Rumsfeld?
    This document also mentions that public support would be very difficult to rally for these upcoming wars, and that a "Pearl Harbor Like Attack" would be very helpful. Now this is a public document, saying we need helpful Pearl Harbor attacks, that's motive, and practically admittance.

    Sources:

    PNAC offical site read the documents.
    Meacher talks about PNAC too
    Guardian UK - The Two Faces of Rumseld

    Not only this, but


    "the US and the UK, are running dangerously low on hydrocarbon energy supplies. And by 2010 the Muslim world will control as much as 60% of the worlds oil production, and 95% of the remaining exportable oil. "

    Protecting oil supplies in a crisis
    Taliban to Texas for Oil Talks
    Bottom of the Barrel, the world is runnin out of oil, why do Politicans refuse to talk about it?
    Threats of US to strike Taliban weeks before the attacks



    Cui Bono(Who Benefits?)
    Bush restricts 911 probesTop Taladan leader freed by US
    911 study hindered
    Bush trying to hide 911 information
    911 documents to sensitive for realse
    Bush discourages 911 investagations
    Times of India - Bush took FBI agents off the Trail of Bin Ladens
    Guardian UK - Agent Blasts FBI over 11 Sept 'cover up'


    Goes on and on


    Prominent 911 whistle blowers

    One might wonder, if all of this evidence which literally swiss chesses the offical story being in existene, why has there not been more of an outcry about it? Well, there has, famous people all over the world have been questioning and exposeing the 911 coverup.

    Micheal Meacher MP, former enviromental advisor in the British Government - This War on Terrorism is Bogus
    former UK Government Minister speaks out about the standdown of NORAD on September 11th, PNAC and the pre-planned wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,...1036571,00.html
    http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/070204meacher.htm

    Andre Van Buelow
    Von Buelow is the former German Defense Minister and Minister of Technology. Von Buelow went public to say the US government carried out 9/11. His book is one of the bestsellers across Europe.
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/021104vonbuelow.html
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/020804vonbuelow.html

    Robert Wright, FBI special Agent,
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/FBI_agent_I_wa...error_probe.htm

    Cynthia Mckinney (Representative D-GA) Grills Rumsfeld on wargames going on the morning of 9/11, he does not deny
    http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinn...ls_rumsfeld.htm

    Morgan Reynolds, (former chief economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term) says 911 Offical story is a fruad
    http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20...02755-6408r.htm
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds7.html
    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=44787


    AND, Jimmy Walters the billionaire activist has gone so far as to, run commericals on televission, showing the evidence behinde building seven, and has also offered a $100,000 reward to any enginner who can proove that the towers fell the way they were said to have fallen in the offical story.

    http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/new...hp?storyid=1013
    September 11 conspiracy theorist offers prize - Reuters






    Summary:


    911 was such a cataclysmic event, it galvanized both the idiots and the intellectuals of America into a flag waving frenzy for nearly five years. 911 has become a never ending excuse to fight any war over seas, and implement any authoritarian rule domestically. Politicians were so quick to exploit this event, jumping in there tanks and battle suits while rushing 1000 page bills through the Senate and House. One has to wonder, why the knee jerk reaction of this attack was to shift into throwing a doublethink deception at the people, telling them to give up freedom for liberty before the smoke had yet to even clear from the air.

    Giving up freedom for Liberty is a False Paradigm. No Liberty = Tyranny.

    As the Roman judges used to say when a crime was committed, “key bono?”, or who benefits? The globalists who masterminded this attack want authoritarian control of America, invasion into uncontrolled Arab states, and overall a world climate that is so dangerous and unstable, the people will beg them for a one world government. A government ruled by them. Order out of chaos.

    I've developed quite a case here, and I think my arguments are supported extremely well, even without all of my information on the towers; this is very strong evidence that we are being lied too, almost on a daily basis. Most of this literally proves the official story is a fraud and there's a lot of things I chose not to talk about, like 100s of Al-Queda and Taliban being flown out after 911, Insider trading right before 911, or Bush pulling FBI agents off of the Trail of the Bin Laden right before 911 (Edit: I did touch on that) and signing documents to protect them. However I've come to the conclusion that in this instance, the problem is there is actually TOO MUCH evidence here, so I won't even bother with the links for my last claims.

    If you think I've made a compelling case, than I urge you learn more about this, because if I'm even remotely correct, and this New World Order aka the "Global Union" is created, by the same creatures who carried out this attack, I don't think your going to want to live under the tyranny grids they've constructed for you. I'm not charging the government with carrying this out, but these Rogue elements with tentacles into our government, who live in families who are worth five times as much as our countries annual budget. If you look more into this, I know you'll see that what I'm saying is true, this is what has happened with me. So please spread this thread around as much as you can, watch some of these movies I post at the bottom, PLEASE look into this more. I know when you find out what I'm saying is real, you'll fight it with even more compassion.

    In the past only small pockets of people have had information on this subject, which served to cloak events in a protective secrecy. But lately a plethora of new information has been consolidated, creating an incredibly chaotic environment for the globalist where the risk of mass exposure is becoming very real. So once you learn, please spread this information on to others.

    This is an information war, against elites with 90% of the wealth trying to control the political and financial systems to control mankind, and doing it for there own selfish desires. And information of this type is so much more powerful than any gun or grenade or tank or anything. Every single word we spew of resistance is a bullet, discharged from a chamber and sent into the heart of the New World Order Demon, and it will take a lot to kill it, but humanity will prevail.

    911 Documentaries


    Martial Law: 911 Rise of the Police State (The best damn 911 movie ever made)

    Windows Media Player:
    Broadband:

    http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml.wmv

    Dial up:

    http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml56k.wmv

    Stream:

    Broadband:

    http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml.wmx

    Dial up:

    http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml56k.wmx

    911- The Road To Tyranny

    Paineful Deceptions
    Painful Deceptions DVD Part 1 (pentagon)
    Painful Deceptions DVD Part 2 (building 7 and the two towers)
    Painful Deceptions DVD Part 3 (media propaganda)

    The Masters of terror
    2:00:09
    http://thewebfairy.com/video/collect...or_128KBps.wmv

    911 Truth and Lies 4 parts

    http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/...dLiesPart1.wmv
    http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/...dLiesPart2.wmv
    http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/...dLiesPart3.wmv
    http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/...dLiesPart4.wmv

    Michael Parenti-Terrorism, Globalism and Conspiracy
    http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti1.wmv
    http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti2.wmv
    http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti3.wmv
    http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti4.wmv
    http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti5.wmv

    Illuminazi 9-11
    http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads/illuminazi.wmv

    The Microchip
    http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads/The%20Microchip.wmv

    Free ebooks

    The Secret Rituals of the O.T.O. (Illuminati, Templars, Freemasons, etc.).pdf
    Order Out of Chaos - Paul Joseph Watson
    A Chronological History of the New World Order - Denis Cuddy
    Conspiracy ebook - The New World Order - Milton William Cooper
    Global Tyranny Step by Step - By WIlliam F. Jasper


    A shit load more Documentaries and ebooks can be found here

    Where's the cliff notes version?
    its not that long is it.I read it

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    There were also a lot of people with high flying friends and relatives that were told not to fly on the Lockerbie flight 15 or so years ago..

    And no-ones ever explained how 20 plus FBI Agents were on the scene removing evidence within 1 hour of that crash... or even why they were allowed to, as they have no authority in the UK.

    1 Hour for an International Flight, thats some doing... London-Lockerbie on a private Jet would be over 2.5 hours, considering the closest airfields are Carlisle or Glasgow..

    Of course, there was a CIA guy on there that was returning unexpectedly with some urgent news that he wouldnt trust to the communication systems... about some CIA operation.



    J2... you were the one i meant when i said "wouldnt watch it"

    There was a TV interview of the owner saying that the firemen rang him and told him they were going to demolish building 7.. plus audio tapes of the firemen saying the fires were under control, plus video footage of controlled explosions demolishing the twin towers

    'Course, that could never be the case

    An It Harm None, Do What You Will

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCanuk
    Still, even if this isnt one big conspiracy, why would they demo the 7th building?
    Building 7 was destabilized by the falling towers, and, as I remember, fell by itself about 5pm on the 11th.




    you serious?

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    So let me try to understand this. America has a problem with listening to the FBI and CIA. We never listen when we should and when we do listen, we shouldn't have.

    We are damned if we do and damned if we don't.


    DAMNIT!!!!

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    So let me try to understand this. America has a problem with listening to the FBI and CIA. We never listen when we should and when we do listen, we shouldn't have.

    We are damned if we do and damned if we don't.


    DAMNIT!!!!
    watch the video again and my reply

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    Thats the thing Everose... just like the rest of us.

    Their Job is to protect us, so we should listen to them.

    They also have other interests, such as protecting their own and their friends ass's... unfortunatly this often takes precedance for the ones in charge. (shit rises here, as in everywhere else)



    We are all in a no-win situation... welcome to the real world
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