Why do people assume that bars will be empty if smoking is banned?..perhaps more non smokers would use them...the ones that seldom do because of the smoke..... probably not an insignificant amount
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Why do people assume that bars will be empty if smoking is banned?..perhaps more non smokers would use them...the ones that seldom do because of the smoke..... probably not an insignificant amount
it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.
Poster
Ireland has seen something like a 15% drop in trade since their ban of smoking in bars.
Canadain potatoes!!!
I did'nt ask you for you not to tell meOriginally Posted by TheDave
Fire away
@Cheese ......Really? well I actually would have thought it does but the reports I've seen say it's been good in parts of london and scotland.
But apart from the trade loss what about other consiquences? The effect it will have on stress at the workplace?
But there's a health issue on the other side which cannot be ignored for simple ££'s and pleasure.
Jonno
Last edited by Jon L. Obscene; 11-16-2004 at 11:09 PM.
Poster
I haven't said that I am against the ban, I think that it is a good idea. It will, however, result in a drop in trade. If you can link me to your stats on London and Scotland I'd be most interested in reading them.I did'nt ask you for you not to tell me
Fire away
@Cheese ......Really? well I actually would have thought it does but the reports I've seen say it's been good in parts of london and scotland.
But apart from the trade loss what about other consiquences? The effect it will have on stress at the workplace?
But there's a health issue on the other side which cannot be ignored for simple ££'s and pleasure.
Jonno
It will be an inconvience to a smoker like myself but I feel the health benefits, as a whole, particularly to those who work in the bar trade more than weighs that out.
I don't mind smoking in the street...means I can have a sneaky joint.
Broken
Theres been a Ban on Smoking in Government Buildings for years, however they implemented it via... No Smoking as they are Refurbished or New...
Guess they dont have many left to Ban Smoking in now
An It Harm None, Do What You Will
Canadain potatoes!!!
@Cheese.... I never said you were against it
I can't give you links cos I can't be arsed to look, I saw it on the news. can you gove me links to the Irish pubs you talk of? Or links to say I'm wrong?
I would be interested to see
And bear in mind I'm a smoker too, for the best part of 17 years and I'm kinda sitting on the fence on this one, can't make up my mind if it's good or not.
Jonno
Shovel Ready
If you presented an operation model like that to the average college business major he'd probably be vastly amused.
What are they thinking?
A pub for Puritans?
Boy howdy, sign me up.
"I am the one who knocks."- Heisenberg
LOL, so many pondering the profitability of pubs/clubs and no-one wondering where the government would find the money they'd lose from cigarette tax if smoking were banned completely.
From a Labour government we could expect the current Public Enemy #2 - car drivers - to bear a lot of the burden, whereas the tories could be expected to raise VAT again (this time putting the full amount onto books/newspapers & sanitary towels - yes, girls, they're considered a 'luxury'!) and cut back on 'publlc spending' (grants, schools, services etc).
if your font size is this small i'll add you to my ignore list because you're wasting my time, OK?
Poster
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4016645.stm@Cheese.... I never said you were against it
I can't give you links cos I can't be arsed to look, I saw it on the news. can you gove me links to the Irish pubs you talk of? Or links to say I'm wrong?
I would be interested to see
And bear in mind I'm a smoker too, for the best part of 17 years and I'm kinda sitting on the fence on this one, can't make up my mind if it's good or not.
Jonno
I think we can agree to disagree here as you have a habit of arguing points for the sake of it. The statistics seem to similarly disagree.
Last edited by Withcheese; 11-17-2004 at 08:51 AM.
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In the situation where some bars are non-smoking, and others still permit smoking it is very likely that groups of non-smokers will go to the former in preference to the latter. The rise in trade shows that there is obviously a demand for non-smoking establishments.
However, it does NOT show that this level of demand is sufficient to offset the drop in demand from smokers who will simply stay at home. As has already been stated, on average Irish pubs have seen a 15% drop in turnover. It remains to be seen what winter brings. I would guess that places selling food have probably held their ground while the others have seen a much bigger drop. Unfortunately I don't have any figures to back that up.
I know quite a few pubs which could not stand a 15% drop in turnover. A bigger drop would send a lot to the wall. There's a lot said on both sides about people having to work in smoky atmosphere, one side saying the air should be smoke free, the other side saying no-one forces them to work there. If the pub is closed both sides will be right!
A total ban on smoking will never work, and will never be introduced. Organised crime would love it, imagine the profits they would make. The government makes billions every year from smoking, the crime syndicates would love to tap into that market. However, one effect might be to severely limit the amount of drugs available - why take the risk of getting and transporting something which is universally illegal when you can make bigger profits with stuff which is sold legally a mere 22 miles off our shores.
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