The Welfare State

[Voetsek]

No free loading welfare spongers in south Africa unlike the UK soft touch

[DorisInsinuate]

I thought the world has been overpopulated for quite a while now, and the birth rate isn't slowing down. Getting people power should be the least of the problems.

[Busyman™]

As I said before, one step is to administer a birth control shot to women on welfare. They wanna get on their feet? Don't exacerbate the problem getting knocked up while off their feet.

Some are just in it for the money. It is not government's job to simply give you money.

Work or rot.

It's bad enough that hard working folk fall on hard times. That and the disabled. It should be governments job to help pull those folk up by the bootstraps but fuck an oppurtunist full-time freeloader.

Freeloaders need to be identified and cut the fuck off. That tough love will either spur a criminal, hard worker, or street beggar. Cut off the street beggar and you'll get one of the first two. Society and government should not have to pay a ransom to stop the beginnings of criminals.

I am guilty of giving food to bums whenever they say they are hungry. I wish I would stop that shit. I NEVER give money (anymore). I did when I was much younger.

As far as giving a bum a sandwich, I'd give spare change to working person if they needed it so I guess it's not a stretch. Thank goodness it doesn't come up often.

[Gripper]

Could you send me a tuna mayo on rye, please

[Chip Monk]

What's "rye please"?

[Busyman™]

Could you send me a tuna mayo on rye, please

Well you look close enough to a bum that I might oblige.

[Proper Bo]

Busyman: Robs microwaves from the rich, complains about the poor

[vidcc]

Welfare reform in America? Pull-eaze.

Where have you been?

Welfare reform is a success.

That's all there is to it.

Come on busy...the war on poverty is over.....the poor lost

[Chip Monk]

Dabblng with humour again.

[ahctlucabbuS]

Meh. How is this bad? Should they rot on your streets instead? How could they then give anything back to society? $100 per kid/month is nothing compared to their future value. People equals money.

You're absolutely right about that.

People equals money right now, it seems; the problem is which direction the money is flowing.

Given the unfortunately wide-spread human inclination toward laziness, what if the children you demand we "invest" in grow up and stay on the dole, reproducing like rabbits, because they like the lifestyle?

Responding to maebach's post regarding refugees, naturally there's a transition period until they learn the language. I fail to see the similarity between refugees and people taking advantage of the system. Refugees are by definition one of the marginal groups we're required to help.

Also, I refuse to make the assumption that children of people unwilling to work grow up to become non-workers themselves. If that were the general rule, the system would have failed horribly already! Think about it.

As I said before, one step is to administer a birth control shot to women on welfare. They wanna get on their feet? Don't exacerbate the problem getting knocked up while off their feet.

Birth control shots? I take it these won't be voluntary... I take it "land of the free" should only apply as long as your income meets a certain standard? It's quite an obvious thing to say, but.... more often than not people are on welfare for a reason. Naturally their situation may foster depression, worthlessness, and even apathy - among other things. Often the problem is just as much within the system as within the person. Instead of suggesting horrendous non-humanitarian practices like birth control shots and what not, these people should be helped to take a step up from their situation. What you're suggesting would certainly do no good at all...

Of course there are freeloaders in every society, but assuming as a rule that people on welfare, or people of general marginality are such seems quite far fetched imo.

I guess it comes down to the question if one assumes people are inherently good, or if they're inherently bad. Of course that assumtion doesn't take into account outer factors. What I'm trying to say is that often people seems so eager in blaming the victim that they forget about the larger society in which that person belongs. For instance, it's all too easy to blame the homeless for his plight. By doing so you're implying that you are in control of your destiny, just as the homeless rotting on the street were responsible for his faith - while of course disregarding the rules of the game in which we all are a part; Society.

So, instead of beeing so eager at blaming the victim, perhaps you should take a look at the higher order of things, and try to change that which do not work. Regarding the homeless in the US, personally I think you should all quit assuming that he choose to live like an animal, and face the facts staring you in the face; Most of them obviously have problems. I guess it's an inevitable side effect of living in an extreme individualistic society...

The thing is, these sort of topics cause "infighting" which is not socialist policy but more ruling class say,.. Capitalist; divide and rule. Abuse is there for certain...One should begin at the top and not at the bottom where people are struggling to survive; maybe even trying to raise children.