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    Quote Originally Posted by Hairbautt View Post

    Sounds good actually. The world dominating super computer machine isn't symbolic for anything is it?
    Read it, what do you think.

    Do you know what a player piano is.

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    Laugh

    I looked it up 5 minutes ago 'cause I didn't.

    That Harrison Bergeron short story rung a bell. I looked it up on Google->Wiki and I remember reading it as a freshman in H.S. - Never knew that was Vonnegut.
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    I think Vonnegut was a total genius.

    I've said this here before, reading "God Bless You Mr Rosewater" was what started me reading books for no other reason than because they were there. It quite literally changed my life, in a profound way. Not necessarily because of any message it contained, but because it opened up the whole World of reading to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hairbautt View Post
    Sounds good actually. The world dominating super computer machine isn't symbolic for anything is it?


    The automatisation as a whole is an important theme. Part of what makes the future so bad in Player Piano, Brave New World, 1984 and Fahrenheit 451 is that the past is being (willfully) forgotten, and real arts and other expressions of culture or free thought seem to be replaced or suppressed by technology.

    Lately, though, in stuff like Market Forces, which is much more recent, as well as in Jennifer Government the focus seems to shift a bit, and things become more about giant corporations replacing governments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPaul View Post
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    Read Vonnegut's Player Piano
    Or Harrison Bergeron (a short story). I think it was even made into a TV movie.

    Did I tell you I have a signed Eastman Press copy of "Welcome to the Monkey House", Snee. Mrs JP got it me as an anniversary present.
    I have a vague memory of you mentioning something like that. Brilliant gift, that, it beats getting a chromed bin any day of the week, for instance.

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    Vonnegut is weird. The Bergeron story is weird, Slaughterhouse Five is weird and I'm sure the rest of'em are just as, if not more, weird.

    But, hey!, I didn't say it'sa bad thing (weird people are at often times my favorite kind of people - as long as it's not a medical condition ).

    Anyways, I read Slaughterhouse Five in my junior year of H.S. and it was really cool because it was actually different from what we had been reading (A Walk in the Woods, Henry David Thoreau ).

    And yea...when I was younger it was a pain in the ass for my mom to get me to read. I got my first 'C' in 3rd grade for failing to read books outside of class. They had some new damn system call the Accelerated Reader (AR) where we had to read a bookaweek and then test on it using a McIntosh comp. Then I pretended to read Goosebumps...my poor mom bought just about every damn one of'em.

    Nowadays I always have a book by me just to keep my eyes busy.

    Fuck me wierd/weird spelling
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JPaul View Post

    Or Harrison Bergeron (a short story). I think it was even made into a TV movie.

    Did I tell you I have a signed Eastman Press copy of "Welcome to the Monkey House", Snee. Mrs JP got it me as an anniversary present.
    I have a vague memory of you mentioning something like that. Brilliant gift, that, it beats getting a chromed bin any day of the week, for instance.
    :earl::genious:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hairbautt View Post
    Vonnegut is weird. The Bergeron story is weird, Slaughterhouse Five is weird and I'm sure the rest of'em are just as, if not more, weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hairbautt View Post
    Sounds good actually. The world dominating super computer machine isn't symbolic for anything is it?


    The automatisation as a whole is an important theme. Part of what makes the future so bad in Player Piano, Brave New World, 1984 and Fahrenheit 451 is that the past is being (willfully) forgotten, and real arts and other expressions of culture or free thought seem to be replaced or suppressed by technology.

    Lately, though, in stuff like Market Forces, which is much more recent, as well as in Jennifer Government the focus seems to shift a bit, and things become more about giant corporations replacing governments.
    I read the first paragraph and was like "don't forget about Big Brother and the corporate world. Then I read the second.

    The afterward in 1984 by Erich Fromm mentioned Alan Harrington's Life in the Crystal Palace which talks about a big American corporation and the idea of a "mobile truth" where people accept a (any) 'conventional truth' and compares it to Orwell's doublethink. Then there's the truth that's "proven by the consensus of millions." Ugh.

    It's all kinda disturbing.

    Ew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JPaul View Post
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    Vonnegut is weird. The Bergeron story is weird, Slaughterhouse Five is weird and I'm sure the rest of'em are just as, if not more, weird.
    Wierdo.

    (That's a wierd image weblink you got there www.caltechgirlsworld.mu.nu I like the filename part)
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