Why Not Turn Kazza Into A Snapster? Legally

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It is difficult to organise on the one hand a free service where everybody could
share files and thoughts openly what is important (not only in Kazaa - sharing
your thoughts openly is also important in everydaylife to understand each other better) and on the other hand make it useful or not aggressive to the music industry :(

But you idea is wel and not bad at all: but one question is probably also important:
to buy all the licenses (4million licences for an average 4million users) of all the stuff shared on Kazaa would be really expensive: If you have the money - do it!
It is only good decision for investing you money :) you would get some friends :)

But some other people mention that if everything is on Kazaa, why should I buy
a good CD: On the one hand - for me - I will buy and bought last year a good
cd, to support the artist. Because if the music is good it is worth to support the artist, so HE CAN MAKE FURTHERMORE GOOD MUSIC :)
=> One question here: How great is the percentage the music companies like
Sony get for one sold CD, and how much the percentage each artist gets?
(mail me, if you know it: [email protected])

The other thing why it is worth to buy a cd is the additional info - each cd
has like a small leaflet with a cover - and in some cds there are additional
infos like lyrics or ther interesting good described things :)

and the last thing - if someone wanted to buy music on a cd he or she
has to wait often or sometimes two or three weeks for gettin' the cd when
ordering and if the cd is hard to find :) and not so popular and good sold.
that could be also a reason: If I want to buy the cd NOW and HEAR IT NOW,
but could not buy it IN TIME at AMAZON, or in any shop, only get it on Kazaa
some users will try it where in order to listen to the music :( :) And if the music
companies would make every or nearly every cd available in a short time means
2-3days max. it would be more better :)

So that is what I am thinking now :)
don't worry, these are some of my thoughts I tried to write down :)

thanks anyway, david.

[Faethe]

It is difficult to organise on the one hand a free service where everybody could
share files and thoughts openly what is important (not only in Kazaa - sharing
your thoughts openly is also important in everydaylife to understand each other better) and on the other hand make it useful or not aggressive to the music industry

I really understand you not wanting anyone to get hurt out of this - true. I'm not for performing a crusade against people like Weird Al, Alice Cooper, and a bunch of my favs.

What we intend to wage war against is the RIAA, which is a corporation that regulates the flow of cash within the recording industry specificaly. Some RIAA propoganda is that sharing hurts the artists directly. NOT TRUE. What is hurting the artist directly, is that the RIAA is trying to restrict technology, and restrict the invention of new ways to compensate the artists DIRECTLY, outside of itself. If you are an artist, you can sign with Sony, and let the RIAA collect your royalty checks, and then basically make music and sit on your arse. Many do. Or you can do it the old fashioned way, collect royalities from Internet users yourself, sell and market your own stuff, and contribute to new forms of technology that may actually make you more money in the short run than Sony ever could in the long haul.

For more info on this - go directly to the http://eff.org/share. Many many ways are being proposed to compensate artists, directly.

But you idea is wel and not bad at all: but one question is probably also important:
to buy all the licenses (4million licences for an average 4million users) of all the stuff shared on Kazaa would be really expensive: If you have the money - do it!
It is only good decision for investing you money you would get some friends

A lot of people confuse this. Music is not software. You don't actually own software, you lease it. Thats what the shrinkwrap agreement is inside each box of software you purchase. If you violate the terms of the lease/license, it can actually be revoked. A good way to find this out is to piss off microsoft, which I do not recommend. They have every right to revoke your software and sue you also, if you are using it in such a way that is inconsistent with the license. Of course, what usually happens is they send you a nasty gram instead, like "we understand you are using one copy of Windows Home Edition on every computer in your dorm. Your roomate ratted you out you cheap bastard. Stop it, or Darth Bill will shred all your PRoN. Love, Microsoft."

Music and Movies are not licensed to individually consumers the way software is, and never will be. This is protected under First Use, which a lot of people confuse with Fair Use. Fair use says that you may copy a movie or a CD for personal use, as many times as you like (Home, Car, Work, etc). First Use says where the copyright holders rights end and yours begin. When you purchase a CD or Movie, you own it. You can put it on your head and dance, play it in a device, throw it around the room, show it to your friends. You own it and the media on it. However, you are not supposed to make copies of it just to give to your friends.

But if you and four friends buy one CD, you all own it. You can each make copies for yourselves. Same thing with Movies. But you must all own it jointly.

But some other people mention that if everything is on Kazaa, why should I buy
a good CD: On the one hand - for me - I will buy and bought last year a good
cd, to support the artist. Because if the music is good it is worth to support the artist, so HE CAN MAKE FURTHERMORE GOOD MUSIC
=> One question here: How great is the percentage the music companies like
Sony get for one sold CD, and how much the percentage each artist gets?
(mail me, if you know it: [email protected])

I personally prefer th Snapster model because it destroys the RIAA once and for all, and that to me is exceedingly important, and the opportunity has just presented itself - so why not?

Some estimates are that your average recording artist makes .14 cents per CD. A large band makes $1. http://eff.org should have more info for ya.

The other thing why it is worth to buy a cd is the additional info - each cd
has like a small leaflet with a cover - and in some cds there are additional
infos like lyrics or ther interesting good described things

Wouldn't you rather just download all this from the artists website directly? Mabye pay a dollar a month and get all the liner notes you want from the band, as they happen? Stuff you can print out? But yeah I see your point about "Album Art" - some of it is quite beautiful...

and the last thing - if someone wanted to buy music on a cd he or she
has to wait often or sometimes two or three weeks for gettin' the cd when
ordering and if the cd is hard to find and not so popular and good sold.
that could be also a reason: If I want to buy the cd NOW and HEAR IT NOW,
but could not buy it IN TIME at AMAZON, or in any shop, only get it on Kazaa
some users will try it where in order to listen to the music And if the music
companies would make every or nearly every cd available in a short time means
2-3days max. it would be more better

I think we are going to be getting rid of CDs alltogether. We will have them to burn on, but they take up space if you have a large music collection. How much easier to purchase insane good quality LAME (this is a codec) MP3's, then burn all you want in whatever order you want? NO ONE can argue that Ipod isn't the coolest MP3 storage device on earth. Plus - this would eliminate all this international shite with "this is only released in France on Wednesdays" nonsense. Just give the money to Weird Al directly and have him send you a poster or t-shirt, CD case or whatever he wants for the cash - he possibly makes more money on that than the CDs at any rate.

thanks anyway, david.

Hey - thank God for people like you that question stuff - its the only way things are going to get better

[Faethe]

[RealitY]

Originally posted by Faethe@27 July 2003 - 13:59
But if you and four friends buy one CD, you all own it. You can each make copies for yourselves. Same thing with Movies. But you must all own it jointly.

There it is in a NUT SHELL for those that didn't read through it.

I like this idea alot, and it make sense.
I imagine it would take only a small amount of users to start this.

[Faethe]

Hey yeah Reality - Like me and my friends in my home network are going to do this. We all have so much music - and Harddrives are really cheap right now - so you get yourself a 160gb drive with a good cache, and just serve it to your friends. We all own this stuff (well a damn ol lot of it anyways) and it is so much easier just to plug a laptop into the s-video port in a TV. That way we can all share movies too.

If this RIAA crap hits the fan, and people start getting major hassled, yeah everyone needs to start looking for alternatives. This is just one, grabbing stuff off digital streams, broadcasts, etc. is another. Anyone with an Ipod is dangerous, as thats 30 gigs you can bring with you over a buddies house, and they are talking about making ipods even bigger, with video capabilities too. It will never die - we just gotta come up with alternatives to smoke 'em with