Uh-oh II...

[clocker]

Oh, I see.
A clearly intelligent man who has actually read Lincoln and thought about history likes to make references to a leader he obviously admires.
What is he thinking?

Much better to approach your leadership idolatry like Bush, who thought Lincoln had something to do with developing logs.

[j2k4]

Oh, I see.
A clearly intelligent man who has actually read Lincoln and thought about history likes to make references to a leader he obviously admires.
What is he thinking?

Much better to approach your leadership idolatry like Bush, who thought Lincoln had something to do with developing logs.

"Clearly intelligent"?

By what measure?

Is he smarter than either of the Clintons?

Remember, you are talking about a man who thinks FDR ended the Great Depression, and nobody with an ounce of sense actually believes that.

[clocker]

You mean conservatives don't believe that and everyone else has no sense.

[bigboab]

Are you going to have another civil war? It was secession that started the last one.

Really?

Revisionist history currently has the "cart" of slavery placed before the "horse" of secession, somehow.

You can't really change history to suit a particular viewpopint. Slavery was the reason for the secession. Secession was the reason for the war. In that order. Or was it?

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

Oh, I see.
A clearly intelligent man who has actually read Lincoln and thought about history likes to make references to a leader he obviously admires.
What is he thinking?

Than apparently he didn't read this part...

"I will say here, while upon this subject, that I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so. I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is a physical difference between the two, which, in my judgement, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality; and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position. I have never said anything to the contrary..." Abraham Lincoln: His Speeches and Writings, ed. Roy P. Basler (New York: Da Capo Press, 1990), p. 445

Then from the 4th debate with Stephen Douglas:

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing
about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black
races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or
jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry
with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical
difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever
forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.
And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there
must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other
man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.” - from ABRAHAM LINCOLN: COMPLETE WORKS, 1894, Vol. 1, page 273

[j2k4]

Really?

Revisionist history currently has the "cart" of slavery placed before the "horse" of secession, somehow.

You can't really change history to suit a particular viewpopint. Slavery was the reason for the secession. Secession was the reason for the war. In that order. Or was it?

Exactly.

[j2k4]

Oh, I see.
A clearly intelligent man who has actually read Lincoln and thought about history likes to make references to a leader he obviously admires.
What is he thinking?

Much better to approach your leadership idolatry like Bush, who thought Lincoln had something to do with developing logs.

"Clearly intelligent"?

By what measure?

Is he smarter than either of the Clintons?

Remember, you are talking about a man who thinks FDR ended the Great Depression, and nobody with an ounce of sense actually believes that.

You mean conservatives don't believe that and everyone else has no sense.

What I mean is liberals believe that it is not what you say, but how you look and sound when you say it.

Therein lies Obama's secret.

[clocker]

What I mean is liberals believe that it is not what you say, but how you look and sound when you say it.

My, but you've become quite the expert on liberal thought lately, haven't you?
"Not what you say but how you look and sound when you say it" is applicable to Limbaugh, Hannity and O'Reilly too, hmmm?

[j2k4]

What I mean is liberals believe that it is not what you say, but how you look and sound when you say it.

My, but you've become quite the expert on liberal thought lately, haven't you?
"Not what you say but how you look and sound when you say it" is applicable to Limbaugh, Hannity and O'Reilly too, hmmm?

Not just lately, certainly, and how those three look or sound is generally a topic for whatever ridicule you can concoct-

-Limbaugh is fat and a drug addict-

-Hannity is a simple-minded jar-head-

-O'Reilly is a blow-hard-

-and ergo none of what they say has any credence.

Obama, on the other hand, is smooth...glib...literate...a great dresser...all that, and a mean outside jumper.

Well, then.

I guess that's all it takes for you guys, huh?

Take away his teleprompter and he's pretty fucking stupid, truth - in a league with a fellow named Bush, perhaps you've heard of him.

[clocker]

This is boring.
I get it...you don't like Obama and he's going to ruin America- if he hasn't already.
With or without a teleprompter.