Marxism/communism/socialism Take 2

[Loke the Lurker]

No man can learn everything and for that we will always be dependant on something and some one, I would rather put my life in the hands of a government then a person who works for his own greed.

I'm sorry. I do not want to be provocative but I really do not understand your reply.

What has it to do with my post?????

Explain or leave me in confusion.......

[Loke the Lurker]

My research shows that socialism is actually the Islamic political system put in place by non other then Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) him self.

I think noname12 have to explain this more clearly.

What do you base this on?

Why Islam and not the rest of the abrahamic tradition (judaism and christianity). It is much older than Islam and it is also enriched by preaching of social equality.

[noname12]

Originally posted by Loke the Lurker@8 November 2003 - 18:36

My research shows that socialism is actually the Islamic political system put in place by non other then Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) him self.

I think noname12 have to explain this more clearly.

What do you base this on?

Why Islam and not the rest of the abrahamic tradition (judaism and christianity). It is much older than Islam and it is also enriched by preaching of social equality.

If you look lower down somewhere, I did infact say jewish AND Islam and my comments are that Islam was the first to fully introduce a socialist system and make it work very nicely with out any conditions.

[noname12]

Originally posted by Loke the Lurker@8 November 2003 - 18:36
Why Islam and not the rest of the abrahamic tradition (judaism and christianity). It is much older than Islam and it is also enriched by preaching of social equality.

Oh here we go another moron with some anti-Islam crap.

You have a problem with Islam? Go talk to a brick wall and don't bring it here, I can bring up to many reasons why Islam is too good for you but lets leave that to another thread not one about communism and STICK TO THE GOD DAMNED TOPIC.

[Loke the Lurker]

Oh here we go another moron with some anti-Islam crap.

You have a problem with Islam? Go talk to a brick wall and don't bring it here, I can bring up to many reasons why Islam is too good for you but lets leave that to another thread not one about communism and STICK TO THE GOD DAMNED TOPIC.

I dont know what you are talking about?!?

I havn't said anything bad about Islam. I am not a religious person, but I actualy find Islam quite sympathetic.

The problem that I wanted to point at is that some form of egalitarian ideals is not at al uncommon among religions. Especially not the "world religions". The natural question is therefor why point at just one tradition, and especially so clearly point at Islam which is the yungest of the Abrahamic tradition.

And to be perfectly clear, I am interessted of religion and I was geniounly qurious how you would argue for your point.

By the way, you have not answered my question about the nature of power in the late/post-modern society.

I think that the Marxist discourse is quite typical for the early modern line of thought. Therefor it is natural, for the participants of the discourse, to think of hegemonical and hierarcical power structures. But is it really fair to Marx to apply his analysis on our contemporary society when he acctually developed his analytical tools for a different society in a another age?

[noname12]

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Sorry about the Islam thing.... I guess I am to sensative

And I will answer a Little later... give me about half hour or something cause I imagine I will write a long reply

[Loke the Lurker]

Oh here we go another moron with some anti-Islam crap.

Oohh, and please don't call me a moron again. It is my wifes job to do that!

[noname12]

Originally posted by Loke the Lurker@9 November 2003 - 00:39

Oh here we go another moron with some anti-Islam crap.

Oohh, and please don't call me a moron again. It is my wifes job to do that!

Look up I did say sorry... I kinda thought you was one of Those typical "Islam is for terrorist" posters (you know who you are)

[noname12]

I am sorry for the late reply... technical difficulties... this is the answer I tried to put in a while back.

The problem that I wanted to point at is that some form of egalitarian ideals is not at al uncommon among religions. Especially not the "world religions". The natural question is therefor why point at just one tradition, and especially so clearly point at Islam which is the yungest of the Abrahamic tradition.

Ok this one first, Look at the Islamic state setup by the Prophet, to my understanding it was the first to perfectly setup a socialist kind of way that was sustained and was accepted by all. But I did say that the Origins of socialism used now can be more clearly taken from the Jewish belief rather then the Islamic one as it is closer to the Ideals of the Jewish state then the Islamic one, where Islam gives 50% to materialism and 50% to spiritualism, basically has a more Religious side to it.

By the way, you have not answered my question about the nature of power in the late/post-modern society.

I did not see that Question I will read up and see it again.

[Billy_Dean]

Originally posted by noname12@9 November 2003 - 10:41
I kinda thought you was one of Those typical "Islam is for terrorist" posters (you know who you are)

Ah, but do you?

I still don't get your point about Islam being the first socialist system, I see no proof of that in any Islamic society today.