This place is falling apart

[j2k4]

Several things:

This useless new format sucks; as of this morning, no dates, and entire chunks of postage are missing.

Also, this 'Arizona Immigration" thread...well, the idiocy contained therein well-exceeds even the very accomodating historical standards of this board.

Insinuations of racism are being deployed purely as tools intended to quell argument and debate, which tactic (in case no one has noticed) has the effect of making genuine racism much more difficult to discern.

It literally seems to be the case that the mere act of waking up in the morning constitutes an act of racism, subject to the bastardized sensibilities of such as the leet-pirate guy.

Now he wants a mod-sanctioned venue in order to conduct some sort of open-warfare.

I think he should be tossed, but for reasons of his obstinance rather than his ethnicity; after all, racism has nothing at all to do with it.

[Rart]

Are you suffering from this problem? Otherwise the dates have been working perfectly fine...

Where are giant chucks of postage missing?

And I'm grateful that at least someone understands where I'm coming from, rather than ridiculing all the moderating I'm doing in this section...

[megabyteme]

I am the one who requested the no-holds-barred transfer/new Lounge thread BECAUSE L33t's posts had been deleted (edit- AND HE HAD BEEN SINGLED OUT FOR INFRACTIONS). Not only was this an act of silencing L33t, it shows the climate we are in regarding the issue at hand. No one on the "Against side" (L33t, myself, clocker, devilsadvocate, and drop-ins) had even REPORTED 9's, or anyone else.

In terms of underhanded tactics, silencing someone- especially singling them out for removal from the site is very low.

J2, I have long held respect for you. I would NEVER resort to the type of down-and-dirty name calling that was thrown at 9's- he even admitted that he was trolling with some of his posts. This topic directly effects L33t's family, and himself. Emotional responses are quite understandable. Silencing him will NOT make the situation better.

[999969999]

I am the one who requested the no-holds-barred transfer/new Lounge thread BECAUSE L33t's posts had been deleted (edit- AND HE HAD BEEN SINGLED OUT FOR INFRACTIONS). Not only was this an act of silencing L33t, it shows the climate we are in regarding the issue at hand. No one on the "Against side" (L33t, myself, clocker, devilsadvocate, and drop-ins) had even REPORTED 9's, or anyone else.

In terms of underhanded tactics, silencing someone- especially singling them out for removal from the site is very low.

J2, I have long held respect for you. I would NEVER resort to the type of down-and-dirty name calling that was thrown at 9's- he even admitted that he was trolling with some of his posts. This topic directly effects L33t's family, and himself. Emotional responses are quite understandable. Silencing him will NOT make the situation better.

Hey, I did receive a message from a moderator to tone it down, and I have.

It won't be as funny, but oh well.

Now, I think everyone needs to tone it down.

[Rart]

I am the one who requested the no-holds-barred transfer/new Lounge thread BECAUSE L33t's posts had been deleted (edit- AND HE HAD BEEN SINGLED OUT FOR INFRACTIONS). Not only was this an act of silencing L33t, it shows the climate we are in regarding the issue at hand. No one on the "Against side" (L33t, myself, clocker, devilsadvocate, and drop-ins) had even REPORTED 9's, or anyone else.

MBM, I have always seen you as a decent fellow, but your stubbornness to recognize even the most basic of facts amazed me to no end.

Leet was infracted and so called "censored" long before 99996999 ever started posting in his thread. 999969999's posting habits have NOTHING to do with it. His outright hostile and racially sensitive posts clearly conflicted with the nature of this forum, and was completely uncalled for in a thread that, without him, was plenty civilized and aptly discussing the issues at hand without resorting to such unnecessary, uncalled for aggression. If anyone had posted in such a manner in any of the other sections (Aside from maybe the lounge) I would acted in the exact same manner (and many other mods have given out hostile posting infractions for much less).

999969999's and to some extent leet's posting habits after he started posting there are a completely different issue entirely, and I have already addressed that.

And either way, just because leet may be in some way "personally involved" with this issue is in absolutely no way an excuse for his behavior. If it's a personal issue, you keep it that way. You don't take it out on a public forum. You report the offensive issues, and move on. I am Asian, yet you don't see my freaking out every time someone stereotypes Asians on the forum (which has happened on the forum). Personal issues are personal for a reason, it's no excuse for how he has behaved on this forum.

[megabyteme]

My point, Rart, is that the "against side" has not been reporting people (at any time) in an effort to silence them.

It is obvious that this blatant attempt to single out Mexican-Americans in Arizona will be struck down as unconstitutional. The real underlying issue here (in Arizona and this site, sadly), is that racism IS still a prevalent mind-set. Sitting back and let the (unknowing) racists talk amongst themselves is a poor way to run an open forum.

As I have been arguing... let all voices be heard with as much passion and insight as they can bring. If that gets "ugly" so be it.

[j2k4]

Now, I just came back in here to check this thread, and there are no dates or time-stamps, and the posts are ordered in reverse.

WTF?

I finished my last visit by re-ordering my settings; apparently none of it 'took'.

When I typed my last post, I found my last post in the Immigration thread was gone, and the last wad of back-and-forth about starting a bitch-thread in The Lounge was entirely missing.

I am going to try one more time to find it...

[Skiz]

Several things:

This useless new format sucks; as of this morning, no dates, and entire chunks of postage are missing.

Also, this 'Arizona Immigration" thread...well, the idiocy contained therein well-exceeds even the very accommodating historical standards of this board.

Insinuations of racism are being deployed purely as tools intended to quell argument and debate, which tactic (in case no one has noticed) has the effect of making genuine racism much more difficult to discern.

It literally seems to be the case that the mere act of waking up in the morning constitutes an act of racism, subject to the bastardized sensibilities of such as the leet-pirate guy.

Now he wants a mod-sanctioned venue in order to conduct some sort of open-warfare.

I think he should be tossed, but for reasons of his obstinance rather than his ethnicity; after all, racism has nothing at all to do with it.

THIS JUST IN!!! SPELLING POLICE NABS J2!!1

Back to your comment... I started that AZ thread but gave up on it weeks ago with the incoherent ramblings of l33tpirate guy. It was just the last straw for me in that section; I haven't been able to foster a discussion in that section for some time. If it isn't rambling members, it's the same ol' partisan-line blame games in every thread. The responses from the regulars are about as predictable as clockwork, and I don't want to read it any more. Thus it doesn't get moderated unless someone reports it.

If someone is posting in a manner that doesn't adhere to the section guidelines or board rules, just report it and we'll deal with it promptly. I wish we had a higher caliber of member in that section, but with the ever growing number of members the pool is growing more diluted. You've been a mod; you know our best line of defense is the report button.

[Rart]

My point, Rart, is that the "against side" has not been reporting people (at any time) in an effort to silence them.

Why do you feel the need to completely over dramatize everything?

This is no "attempt" to silence any one or anything, and the fact that you're even mentioning this is absurd. It was reported because the post was clearly against the rules of the section, and as of such it was deleted. There's nothing else to it.

As I have been arguing... let all voices be heard with as much passion and insight as they can bring.

If

oh and another thing you fucking moron bitch of an idiot, you can tell you didnt learn anything in that sweatbox you called school for 5 years till you dropped out.

is your idea of contructive passion to bring "insight" into a discussion, then maybe you're in the wrong forum.

[megabyteme]

We've already discussed context and escalation. The fact that L33t's posts were the only ones being deleted did not help "tone him down".

If you read the last 5-8 pages, L33t mentioned what I already knew- he really has no problem with whites, or anyone else. His problem was with the mentality of the participants. And, yes, sometimes they deserved to get slapped. Hopefully, they are tough enough to take someone "not playing nice". Some of his deleted posts were not offensive, BTW.