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**IdolEyes787** · 01-16-2011, 02:24 AM

How so ? In this case not a question of whether the rules are good or bad or whether that the staffer could have shown more leniency but rather your friend (apparently according to you ) knowingly lied in an attempt to get you back in the place .

Actually harshness aside the staffer would be more morally ambiguous if he/she set aside the obligation to enforce the stated rules as an administrator of that site .

**OlegL** · 01-16-2011, 02:40 AM

Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

your friend (apparently according to you ) knowingly lied in an attempt to get you back in the place .

I totally see your point, but what happened to me left me confused. I am still confused about what is right and what is wrong on the internet or in real life.

**Waddafocky** · 01-16-2011, 04:36 AM

Morals say bad to lie, good to steal. Cool story bro.

Also, easy answer: right and wrong in real life = right and wrong on the internet, what makes you think otherwise?

**OlegL** · 01-16-2011, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anarkial

Morals say bad to lie, good to steal. Cool story bro.

Also, easy answer: right and wrong in real life = right and wrong on the internet, what makes you think otherwise?

The internet piracy may be illegal or quasi-legal, but it doesn't mean that it's immoral. And, yes, I agree with your second statement: right and wrong in real life = right and wrong on the internet.

**Intr4ns1t** · 01-16-2011, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by OlegL

The internet piracy may be illegal or quasi-legal, but it doesn't mean that it's immoral. And, yes, I agree with your second statement: right and wrong in real life = right and wrong on the internet.

*Intr4ns1t puts on his devil horns for a moment

Is it immoral to take food off the table of the people who create the media you consume? Because theoretically, that's what you're doing. Morals are relative OlegL, and entirely based on your local customs/religions/philosophies, so your confusion is understandable. This does not mean that your excuse for why you steal is better than the media creators excuse for calling it theft.

**Waddafocky** · 01-16-2011, 05:19 AM

So what's the confusion? How can banning be immoral? Is it immoral to tell the guy who's pissing in my yard to get the fuck out? Or even random dudes just walking on my lawn? If you're talking immoral in the sense that this implies properties rights and that we all own the land under God's name, maybe we can find some common ground, but I have a feeling that's not what you're talking about.

EDIT: I don't disagree with you a lot Intransit, but I highly doubt that we're taking meals off anyone's tables when we pirate Hollywood movies. We might be making a dent in the profits, but I don't think any movie made less than its budget because a bunch of kids with computers and R33T trackers torrented the movie. To say that I'm stealing something and to say that I'm starving someone are two different things.

I would urge everyone to buy small-time stuff or at least spread the word to people who are more principled/have more money/are less of a cheap-ass than you are. The above thing still applies (stealing != starving) especially with digital products, but it really helps when you're talking small business.

**Intr4ns1t** · 01-16-2011, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by Anarkial

So what's the confusion? How can banning be immoral? Is it immoral to tell the guy who's pissing in my yard to get the fuck out? Or even random dudes just walking on my lawn? If you're talking immoral in the sense that this implies properties rights and that we all own the land under God's name, maybe we can find some common ground, but I have a feeling that's not what you're talking about.

EDIT: I don't disagree with you a lot Intransit, but I highly doubt that we're taking meals off anyone's tables when we pirate Hollywood movies. We might be making a dent in the profits, but I don't think any movie made less than its budget because a bunch of kids with computers and R33T trackers torrented the movie. To say that I'm stealing something and to say that I'm starving someone are two different things.

I would urge everyone to buy small-time stuff or at least spread the word to people who are more principled/have more money/are less of a cheap-ass than you are. The above thing still applies (stealing != starving) especially with digital products, but it really helps when you're talking small business.

I was playing "devil's advocate", hence the first part of my post.