[QUOTE=999969999;3569616]No, I'll definitely be even moreOriginally Posted by mjmacky
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[QUOTE=999969999;3569616]No, I'll definitely be even moreinsanebrilliant than ever.
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[QUOTE=mjmacky;3569622]If that's what you call it, okay.
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America suplying arms to Al Qaeda. Who would have thunk it?The White House has refused to comment on reports President Obama has approved covert support for the opposition forces in Libya(BBC News tonight)
The best way to keep a secret:- Tell everyone not to tell anyone.
Do you have information that we don't?
When I was a kid I was told "We do these things not because they're easy, but because they're hard"
Now all I hear is " I won't do anything unless there's something in it for me"
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No. The information is all there. Most people just see or hear what they want to. Gadaffi has been saying for a while that all these uprisings have been started with Al Qaeda backing. We can't listen to him though, he is the bad guy. On BBC news tonight on the killing of civilians by coalition bombing we had the following quote 'It is inevitable that when bombing to save civilians from being killed you are going to kill some civilians'. You can bet your life that quote will not be in any news repeats later. It is not in keeping with the 'Fox Style' reporting on this conflict.Do you have information that we don't?
The best way to keep a secret:- Tell everyone not to tell anyone.
While I'm sure AQ will be attempting to get involved in the uprising, basically your statement is nothing more than a personal theory and not actuality. If you have any actual proof then please show it to the rest of the world.
When I was a kid I was told "We do these things not because they're easy, but because they're hard"
Now all I hear is " I won't do anything unless there's something in it for me"
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_837894.html
WASHINGTON -- In 2007, when American combat casualties were spiking in the bloodbath of the Iraq War, an 18-year-old laborer traveled from his home in eastern Libya through Egypt and Syria to join an al Qaeda terrorist cell in Iraq. He gave his name to al Qaeda operatives as Ashraf Ahmad Abu-Bakr al-Hasri. Occupation, he wrote: “Martyr.’’
Abu-Bakr was one of hundreds of foreign fighters who flocked into the killing zones of Iraq to wage war against the “infidels." They came from Saudi Arabia, Syria, Oman, Algeria and other Islamic states. But on a per capita basis, no country sent more young fighters into Iraq to kill Americans than Libya -- and almost all of them came from eastern Libya, the center of the anti-Gaddafi rebellion that the United States and others now have vowed to protect, according to internal al Qaeda documents uncovered by U.S. intelligence.
The informal alliance with violent Islamist extremist elements is a coming-home of sorts for the United States, which initially fought on the same side as the Libyan fighters in Afghanistan in the 1980s, battling the Soviet Union.
According to a cache of al Qaeda documents captured in 2007 by U.S. special operations commandos in Sinjar, Iraq, hundreds of foreign fighters, many of them untrained young Islamic volunteers, poured into Iraq in 2006 and 2007. The documents, called the Sinjar documents, were collected, translated and analyzed at the West Point Counter Terrorism Center. Almost one in five foreign fighters arriving in Iraq came from eastern Libya, many from the city of Darnah. Others came from Surt and Misurata to the west.
On a per capita basis, that’s more than twice as many than came from any other Arabic-speaking country, amounting to what the counter terrorism center called a Libyan “surge" of young men eager to kill Americans.
During 2006 and 2007, a total of 1,468 Americans were killed in combat and 12,524 were badly wounded, according to Pentagon records.
Today, there is little doubt that eastern Libya, like other parts of the Arab world, is experiencing a genuine burst of anti-totalitarian fervor, expressed in demands for political freedom and economic reforms. But there also is a dark history to eastern Libya, which is the home of the Islamic Libyan Fighting Group, an anti-Gaddafi organization officially designated by the State Department as a terrorist organization.
The group was founded by Libyan mujahideen returning in the mid-1990s from Afghanistan, where they had gone to fight the Soviets’ Red Army. Building on a radical Islamist credo, they organized to fight the secular corruption of the Gaddafi regime. In 1996 they nearly succeeded in assassinating Gaddafi by attacking his motorcade with either a bomb or a rocket-propelled grenade which missed its target. The attack led to a severe crackdown by the regime. Many were imprisoned or disappeared, but the CIA still regards the group as one of the many franchises of al Qaeda, including al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, which operates in Yemen, and al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, which is active in Algeria and elsewhere in North Africa.
Eastern Libya has been described by U.S. diplomats as a breeding ground for Islamist extremism. In diplomatic cables released by Wikileaks, the region’s young men were said to have “nothing to lose" by resorting to violence. Sermons in the local mosques are “laced with phraseology urging worshippers to support jihad," one diplomat reported.
U.S. officials declined to discuss the make-up of the anti-Gaddafi forces in eastern Libya, and U.S. intelligence agencies declined to comment publicly. To be sure, extremist elements make up only a portion of the resistance to Gaddafi and have been present in every popular uprising in the region stretching from the Iranian revolution to the Egyptian people’s overthrow of Hosni Mubarak. But others caution that in the chaotic jockeying for power that will ensue, whether or not Gaddafi is forced from power, eastern Libya’s extremist groups will emerge.
“Lingering civil conflict in Libya (certain to happen if Gaddafi clings to power) would create ample ground for radicalization and extremist recruitment," Yasser al-Shimy, an Egyptian diplomat who defected during the last days of the Mubarak regime, wrote recently. Protracted civil conflict “usually induces radicalization and chaos. In other words, Libya might turn into a giant Somalia: a failed state on Egypt's borders with radical groups taking advantage of the mayhem," al-Shimy wrote in the blog, Best Defense. Or as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Friday about the immediate future of Libya: “We don’t know what the outcome will be."
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In case you have no time to read the story above, and they're a bit above 969's ability to analyze (which is effectively 0), I'll paraphrase it:
- Many Islamic radicals came into Iraq to join the anti-American fight, Libya had the highest per capita influx of radicals
- Eastern Libya has a high tendency to breed extremism
- Islamic Libyan Fighting Group fought against Soviets in Afghanistan, failed to assassinate Gaddafi and got picked apart by his regime. Remnants of their activity still exist in Yemen, Algeria, and North Africa.
- Good probability that extremists are a small portion of the anti-Gaddafi forces, and they've been in every uprising prior.
So, 969 thought this might be proof that AQ started the uprising, but it doesn't present that in any manner. Rather it just reaffirms the fact that AQ will try to be involved and there are some extremists within the movement.
Last edited by mjmacky; 04-14-2011 at 01:09 AM.
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I know almost nothing about Libya except that it's ruled by the dictator Kadafi and protesters want democracy in Libya.
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Thank you Oleg, this thread needs your help
Last edited by mjmacky; 04-15-2011 at 04:14 AM.
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