Neighbor's internet/router won't allow torrent downloads?

[IdolEyes787]

So it's ok to steal software and movies just not someone else's internet connection. Got it, thanks.

I would guess that it's a matter of degrees as one potentially has not as much effect on the people stolen from as does the other .

Of course that's just my own opinion and if your neighbours are likewise a bunch of rich, faceless heathens and not just some poor schmucks similar to yourself added an unfulfilling job , a kid or two and a sad ,sad puppy then have at them I say.

[megabyteme]

So it's ok to steal software and movies just not someone else's internet connection. Got it, thanks.

Just because we are willing to cross the line of copyright- which is only in place to protect corporate interests, it does not mean that we are, as a group in general, willing to cross ALL legal lines. Personally, I see filesharing as a victimless misdemeanor. I can do the same exact things (read books, watch movies, etc.) legally at a public library.

There are plenty of legal offenses that one can do online (blackmail, commercial spamming, illegal porn, etc.- as well as filesharing) that could get someone else in trouble. There are also bandwidth caps that could cost others a substantial amount of money if you were to abuse their line through massive downloading. Ask a Canadian if you can borrow their wife, or their internet connection and they will tell you HELL NO, but have their wife home in time to do the laundry on Sunday- their nice, but their bandwidth is ridiculously expensive now...

If someone has left their line open, it probably is not a big deal to grab your email, or check the weather forecast. Outside of that, it is the fair thing to do to get your own line, OR ask their permission.

Excuse me, but I've got to get this Canadian woman back across the border...

[mjmacky]

So it's ok to steal software and movies just not someone else's internet connection. Got it, thanks.

I think everyone else covered what would have been my reply, so hopefully now you got it.

[TONiC]

So it's ok to steal software and movies just not with someone else's internet connection. Got it, thanks.

Fixed.

[megabyteme]

So it's ok to steal software and movies just not with someone else's internet connection. Got it, thanks.

Fixed.

Why didn't I think of that? It could have saved me quite a bit of writing...

[TONiC]

Why didn't I think of that? It could have saved me quite a bit of writing...

Your post was the inspiration

But yeh Roderick, that there is rule one.

[zot]

If I might be allowed to play the devil's advocate here ...

I think it might be good for P2P in general if more people - many more people- leeched a neighbor's wireless -- and did it strategically. I think it might put an end to P2P lawsuits if these sue-crazy companies knew there was a high probability that any given IP address might have been used by some anonymous wi-fi piggybacker, and not the account owner. Generate enough false alarms, and an IP address as an identification tool could become next to meaningless.

Of course, it would require an organized, concerted effort to share things likely to get all those careless neighbors sued.

But hey, every war has its share of "collateral" damage. (and could it be much worse than the people who run TOR exit nodes?)

[megabyteme]

If I might be allowed to play the devil's advocate here ...

I think it might be good for P2P in general if more people - many more people- leeched a neighbor's wireless -- and did it strategically. I think it might put an end to P2P lawsuits if these sue-crazy companies knew there was a high probability that any given IP address might have been used by some anonymous wi-fi piggybacker, and not the account owner. Generate enough false alarms, and an IP address as an identification tool could become next to meaningless.

Of course, it would require an organized, concerted effort to share things likely to get all those careless neighbors sued.

But hey, every war has its share of "collateral" damage. (and could it be much worse than the people who run TOR exit nodes?)

Where were you when I was arguing for my "plan"? I did say the very same thing, and I still find that to be a very sound strategy in a win-at-all-costs scenario. However (isn't there always one?), many very ethical, trustworthy members (my friends) pushed me back on the right path- casualties in war should NOT be innocent civilians, but the soldiers themselves who have chosen to take such a stand. (My thoughts, but very much in line with the arguments presented to me.)

[CQ1ST]

I'm glad you know next to nothing about firewalls/routers, and to me it looks like your neighbour did you a favour opening up their wifi (maybe when they saw the place next door empty and then new people move in)