I'm All For The War. I Think Its Right

[Zardoz]

Originally posted by SuperJude™@19 February 2003 - 20:06
The more I read these threads the more I see it is just all idle talk and opinions and nothing will ever get solved on a world level by what is stated at a message board.

I may just sign off on this subject forever more. Things I say get misinterpreted, war sucks cause dead people IRL is not like the t.v. or a video game or a movie, it is very real.

I only say again- I support the people they are going to send over there because they are my countrymen and a few (more than 10 here) of my friends are going overseas or are already there. If they must fight I wish them victory.

I still think most Iraqis would rather live like us than fight us.

-SJ™

How do you Americans manage to be so arrogant so consistently?
You're self obsession with the American way baffles me
You cannot conceive of any country not secretly dreaming of being like you

RIDICULOUS..........

[Zardoz]

Originally posted by computerfreak76@19 February 2003 - 21:39
i do believe something needs to be done about saddam hussein but why does the USA have to be the main force behind that? see if the usa isnt careful one day they are going to step on the wrong toes and be in deep shit.

i know that the usa can take just about any country one on one but.....if you have a few countries gang up on the usa then theres a problem.

i live in the united states was born in the united states. i believe in freedom but i do not believe that the united states needs to be sticking their nose in every little conflict going on in the world.

ever heard the saying you stick your hand in the bees nest trying to get honey too many times youll get stung. thats whats going to happen to the US eventually if they keep on going the way they are.

no country including the usa is invincible!

What the hell do you call Sept 11?

[Zardoz]

Originally posted by Spindulik+19 February 2003 - 22:17--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Spindulik @ 19 February 2003 - 22:17)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Zardoz@19 February 2003 - 11:43

All of you war supporters
I hear no mention of you going to fight
Where are you from?

I hope you&#39;re going to sign up or are you just blowing it out of your arse.

I hate armchair warmongers who are very happy to send others to their death

If you believe what you say, Put your life where your mouth is.

I am from the USA, and the &#036;20,000.00 in federal taxes I paid for last year, ought pay for atleast one missle.
I am almost 40 years old and have a few toddlers. But if if the government needs (draft) me, I am ready NOW&#33;


Let&#39;s see, I paid enough taxes for:
-A nice car or jeep
-a years worth of prison expenses for a criminal
-meals for the troops
-1 month internet access for 1,000 AOL customers
-All of the songs I ever wanted, instead of downloading them for free.
-33-1/3 years of DSL at &#036;50.00 a month
-One concrete driveway
-Cheap windows for my house
-25 computer systems (&#036;800.00 each)
-20,000 gifts from the Dollar Store
-6,666 boxes of Entemen&#39;s doughnuts
-4,000 feet of T1/3 internet cable
-expanded cable-TV for 20years
-238 years of Cricket Cell Phone Service
-1 minute of Bill Gates time (market price)
-8032 BigMac burgers
etc... etc... etc... [/b][/quote]
Spindulik
how many civilians will your &#036;20,000 kill?


Oh Maximboy99
I didn&#39;t think the posts in this thread worthy of an intelligent opinion as there were very few on offer.
If you want one I will repost something I wrote a couple of months ago.


Unfortunately history has told the story better than I or anyone else can.
Successive American governments have treated the rest of the planet like one big police state,
With said governments as some sort of self appointed military junta

The holier than thou attitude portrayed by America is belied by certain government sanctioned
actions against any country that America perceives as a threat to its trade.
The excuses that regimes destabilise the political climate of the world are a thinly veiled
attempts to avert attention from America&#39;s own self interest.

Considering that America has consistently funded terrorism in many other countries (Nicaragua for example)
negates any WAR on terrorism America might wage, Unless it takes to task the likes of Ragan and the CIA.
I think it should look deep inside before once more tirading around the planet.

America, look at your leaders and the unaccountable organisations that are supposedly working in your best interests,
While at the same time sending you off to die in a foreign land for something that you don’t completely understand or support

["The Avatar Man"]

my two cents are real simple.
I am for disarming Iraq,But I don&#39;t see why it is being rushed.
The day that Hans Blix says we must use force I will be all for war,cause I know there is no other way&#33;

[Spindulik]

Originally posted by Zardoz@20 February 2003 - 12:10

how many civilians will your &#036;20,000 kill?

It&#39;s not my &#036;20,00 anymore. The Gov. took it.

Let&#39;s see. If Sadam uses a hospital as a human barricade, I estimate 12 people&#39;s live will be sacrificed (11 scientists and on janitor). The money used for Iraq hospitals went to Sadams chemical weapons program.

If Sadam uses a grade school as a hide out, I estimate a few thousand live scould be gone.


I hate war. But with war, innocent lives are not spared. That is a shame.

Lets hope that a resolution can be arranged soon. If Sadam is guilty of crimes, then HE should pay&#33; Not innocent lives.

[puremindmatters]

Originally posted by Spindulik@20 February 2003 - 13:12


If Sadam uses a grade school as a hide out, I estimate a few thousand live scould be gone.


I hate war. But with war, innocent lives are not spared. That is a shame.

Lets hope that a resolution can be arranged soon. If Sadam is guilty of crimes, then HE should pay&#33; Not innocent lives.

Ok, I can respect that you wouldn&#39;t mind being drafted when your government needs you. You believe this is a just cause, and are obviously willing to give your life for it.

I would respect Iraquis as well, willing to give their lives for their country, and that is exactly how they will feel if they are attacked by a foreign force.

I wonder if Saddam will be kind enough to let the attacking forces know where to find him, so that they can make sure bombing grade schools will have the desired effect. Bin Laden sure wasn&#39;t so co-operative. Do you think you yourself would find any consolation in the fact that a known criminal was killed when a grade school was bombed if your kids happened to attend it?

Or that the families of 11/9 would feel any better if they knew that there was a worthy target amongst the 3000 victims?
I think the major problem of all this reasoning is that war is something very abstract for all of us being lucky enough not to have been subjected to one.

And of course I agree with your last statement - but saying, well, if the only way to get him is to kill another 250 000 innocent people, that&#39;s just tough luck (if the death toll won&#39;t be higher this time) is a little too abstract for my taste as well - yes, that is the way wars are - and that&#39;s why they should be averted if possible (and you don&#39;t have to be French to think so)

[alikan]

http://moveon.org/

[-=M3th0d=-]

Just read this article and have a few points to make:

1) How can you slag america off for &#39;sticking their noses in where its not wanted&#39; as many of you have said? America is essentially the worlds policing force, and dont say it should be NATO of UN because ultimately it is america that makes the most impact. Take american troops out of pakistanetc. etc. etc. and one can imagine the chaos that would ensue.

2)Do not continue to allow the Iraqi people to be punished because you are &#39;unhappy&#39; with the amount of power america is allowed to wield. Do not use the iraqi people as pawns in your game for moral superiority - when you allow a monster like saddam hussein to rule for 30 years without so much as protesting against his rule you lose the right to such a claim.

3)Whatever the true intentions of america for starting this war, the reality on the ground is that the majority of Iraqis, inside and outside Iraq, support the invasive actions because it is them that have to live with the realities of continuing as things are.

4)Wars are not fought today by barely trained civilians, they are fought with specialised proffesionals and technology, not by numbers. Thus the numerous points about &#39;putting your money where your mouth is&#39; are arrogant and stupid.

It is fact, and there are plentiful examples, of Iraqis who have fled the country; Iraqis who&#39;s family members have been imprisoned, tortured or have &#39;disappeared&#39; under Hussein&#39;s regime, in fact you will be hard pressed to find a family who hasn&#39;t.

I am not normally pro-war, however in this case, i think it has quite conclusively been shown that Saddam Hussein will not respond to anything other than, at the very least, the real and immediate threat of war. This is a person who has ignored 17 UN resolutions, still has a significant amount of chemicals unaccounted for in his country and is yet to account for them to the UN inspectors and has violated virtually every human right in existence.

[Ynhockey]

first of all u retard, if u knew shit about shit, u&#39;d know that the iraqi military is a shadow of its former, 1990, self. secondly, don&#39;t try to make urself sound noble that ur going to serve. u didn&#39;t volunteer. ur an israeli. u have to serve.

That was the most idiotic statement I&#39;ve heard in many years. First of all, the Iraqi army HAS improved, no doubt about that, because when arrogant people like you sat and watched TV, they built tanks, airplanes, etc. - the US knows nothing about the Iraqi army because the UN officials were kicked out way long ago. If you know something about WW II then you can estimate the amount of vehicles that Iraq could&#39;ve built in this period of time, even after the UN officials were sent back.

As for the Israeli army, again, idiotic statement. I am a single child, therefore, I don&#39;t have to fight at all. I have to serve 3 years but I can spend those 3 years repairing computers. I am going into a fighting division. Please find out a little more about the Israeli army before you make such statements.

Anyway, so far I&#39;ve seen that you will keep posting stupid statements until the othe side stops paying attention... so I will stop paying attention to you. Say what you want.

[imported_computerfreak76]

I&#39;m curious as to whether or not any of you guys are from iraq and if so are you going to have to be the ones that fight against the US when the war finally happens?