why not switch to usenet?

[The_Martinator]

I haven't read the discussion, sorry.

I'm just gonna answer the OP's question (the thread title).

Because filesharing should be free imo. I could live without seedboxes. I rarely download HD stuff and I don't mind downloading an SD movie/episode for a few hours. It's not like I have time to watch a movie every day.

[RadiancE]

you're wrong.
one more time, Karagarga has ~60.000 torrents of non-mainstream/old material.

Isn't Karagarga just a weird movies tracker? What if I'm looking for applications or some non weird movie. Will it have it?

Like I said. Trackers that specialize on something in specific have good hard to find content but there is no tracker that will have the content that Usenet has.

Non-weird old movie like what? Commando, Predator, etc.? You will probably find those on TL.

[Sanka113]

I have a server but I enjoy the ease and flexibility and convience that bt provides over usenet.

[stoi]

OK Usenet is not this great bastian of all things ever created, like some ppl are mentioning on here.

Truth is, when i first started BCG, i used to get all my uploads for BCG there, and be the 1st to upload onto suprnova.

Now i am far to slow for new releases, its on BCG usually, 2-3 hours before its on Usenet, or at least before its complete on usenet anyway.

If i think, i just fancy uploading something, I have seen me go through a whole room on Usenet, check every game in that room with what is on BCG, and BCG has it.

But on the other hand, i have seen me think, hmm i might dl that off BCG, but hold on will check Usenet, low and behold its not on usenet.

I also would not touch a non scene release on usenet, On BCG i would. On Usenet i have seen me download something, and it was in German, not one mention of bloody german anywhere in the post though, on BCG they say what the languages are.

To me both have their avantages and disadvantages.

Usenet

Advantages

Speed
No ratio/No Upload

Disadvantages

Not free
You dont know what you are downloading sometimes (and its getting worse)
Things sometimes cant complete, even with the pars, so you have downloaded 7 gig of crap.
In 5 years i have been to a text room once, to much like hard work, give me a forum or IRC anyday, community is there, but pointless if you ask me.

Bittorrent

Advantages

Free (you dont have to pay a penny, if you dont want to)
Community even if its just the description and the torrent comments.
Retention If someone seeds it, it can last for eternity
Speed, if there are seedboxes, even on older torrents.
Ratio = Epenis to make ppl seed like mad or for a long time
Centralised tracker, but there are lots of them, 1 goes down, 2 come up.

Disadvantages:

Speed = Things can go slow, but to me, if you want it you will wait to get it, if you cant, then you did not want it that much anyway.
Ratio = can be a killer for new members with little upload bw
Centralised tracker, run by a few people, if it goes down and thats your only tracker, you are bummed, if not you dont care.

If you have 10 trackers, some specialised, some 0 day, you will have more content than Usenet.

If you have 2 trackers, you wont.

BCG has more games than Usenet, but if you want movies and just have BCG then obviously Usenet is better. But usenet is not the be all and end all of filesharing, actually its not even filesharing, which is another drawback, I love sharing, but on usenet, its not, even if you do upload (which i have done in the past) it does not feel like sharing, as you upload and forget, and cant see how many people downloaded it.

[cinephilia]

you're wrong.
one more time, Karagarga has ~60.000 torrents of non-mainstream/old material.

Isn't Karagarga just a weird movies tracker? What if I'm looking for applications or some non weird movie. Will it have it?

Like I said. Trackers that specialize on something in specific have good hard to find content but there is no tracker that will have the content that Usenet has.

of course one tracker can't have all usenet content....
like stoi said, if you have 10 trackers, some specialised, some 0 day, you will have more content than Usenet.
for old stuff, i don't think Usenet has more than karagarga, cinemaggedon, cinematik and Demonoid.

ps: no, KG is not a 'weird movie tracker' lol.

[saulin]

Isn't Karagarga just a weird movies tracker? What if I'm looking for applications or some non weird movie. Will it have it?

Like I said. Trackers that specialize on something in specific have good hard to find content but there is no tracker that will have the content that Usenet has.

of course one tracker can't have all usenet content....
like stoi said, if you have 10 trackers, some specialised, some 0 day, you will have more content than Usenet.
for old stuff, i don't think Usenet has more than karagarga, cinemaggedon, cinematik and Demonoid.

ps: no, KG is not a 'weird movie tracker' lol.

When I checked Karagarga's content like 8 months ago there was not a movie I recognized. It made me wonder who really needs this tracker.

Anywways of course there is not 1 tracker that can't compete with Usenet and yes you need many trackers to be able to match Usenet's content. And yes Usenet does not have the fastest pre times what I really like is the fact that I can download stuff that is over 250 days old and I know it will be there where if you are looking for stuff that is 250 days old on trackers you have to look hard. Also if you do find it most likely it will not have many seeders at all or even no seeders period. Speed is always the same for all files on Usenet.

Torrents may be free but to find stuff sometimes you have to check on 10-20 different trackers. On the other hand. Usually if it ain't on Usenet it most likely will be on warez forums and there are very nice search engines to search warez forums too.

So get what you pay for. If you decide not to pay well deal with torrents and seeding back and slow downloads etc.. because you can say whatever you want but torrents depend on seeders and the connection of the uploader(s) and not all uploaded torrents are still alive. A lot of them die within a month.

Of course one big advantage of BT is the specialty trackers. Then again they are good for what they carry only and even then you can't say you will find all your music on one spot or even all your games on one spot.

As far as completion rate on usenet I find it to be well as advertised. I very rarely need to repair anything and if something is not complete it will be missing a couple of megs at the most so you just need a par file taht is like 5 megs. Now Stoi said that sometimes you don't know what you are getting. What I do is just search for the scene file name and the download shows up for what I want. Of course for old movies that were released years ago they may not be tagged properly and you wonder if it's NTSC or PAL, if it has sub titles etc... but pretty much anything that has been released by the secene can be foun by the exact file name it was released under.

[stoi]

Exactly what i said virtually, for scene stuff its great, for user rips, not so good, unless its music, the worst part of music on usenet is though, you will get them uploading the songs, but no pars, and you wont know if its currupt till you listen to the thing.

I have had quite a few songs skip and just stop half way through from usenet.

Pars are great though, but if they dont include them, its pot luck.

[cinephilia]

When I checked Karagarga's content like 8 months ago there was not a movie I recognized. It made me wonder who really needs this tracker.

damn, you have absolutely no culture of cinema... it's serious.

Anywways of course there is not 1 tracker that can't compete with Usenet and yes you need many trackers to be able to match Usenet's content.

10 trackers is not a lot and it's generally easier and faster to make a sucessfull search on trackers than usenet.

that is 250 days old on trackers you have to look hard. Also if you do find it most likely it will not have many seeders at all or even no seeders period. Speed is always the same for all files on Usenet.

i agree with the speed issuee but trust me, 250 days old films are not hard to find as long as you have the good trackers.

anyway, i don't know why i'm still replying, all have been said by stoi and Snarkyone, i invite you to read their post carefully.

[saulin]

I said what I had to say and even Stoi agress with me. Like I said before. You need them all to cover everything but people can leave witout torrents if they have Usenet and Warez forums like I do. It's not easier to find stuff on torrents when you have to check on 10 different trackers. Have you even used usenet cinephilia? I just found a file for someone on another therad in like 15 seconds. And it gets even easier because Alt.Binz has that Usenet index site built in.

You get what you pay for and Usnet is better and that's why you have to pay for it, then again $11 a month is nothing since a lot of BT users pay like what $20 for a seedbox to be able to maintain ratios on sites like ScT?

Look at it this way. Would you rather go shopping to 10 different stores to find what you need or would you rather just make one stop and buy what you need?

Of course I'm not saying usenet has all the content of all torrent sites but it has more content than any single tracker which makes it easy to find stuff quick and well you get max speeds always. Plus let's not forget that you are paying for it so no need to worry about wether you can afford to get something without destroying your ratio. Or wether it will take 2 hours or a whole day to get that movie you want.

Yes I think everything has been covered. If you want to be cheap and have time to waste BT might be the way to go. Either way even people that use mainly BT also use Usenet to find things they can't find on torrents, or they simply have to check warez boards and look for MU or RS links. I use them all but BT is what I use very rarely because I seem to find everything I want somewhere else

It's all about knowing how to find stuff

[cinephilia]

well, i'm not trying to convince you and i completely agree that usenet and warez forums can be suitable for 90% of regular torrentusers.
that said, you have to pay $11 monthly (while you can afford a seedbox for 1 month and be settled for life with ratios) and the method of getting files needs a bit more experience than for bittorrent trackers.
anyway, i'm not a 0day guy (and even if i was, a 0day tracker like ScT would fit my needs in terms of content/speeds) and i mainly use dedicated trackers that have some stuff you wouldn't find on usenet.

but yes, usenet is a good alternative and if one day torrenting would 'die', i'd switch to usenet for sure.